doctor who

[Samcro]

is there a thread?

I like her and think her acting is good but I think she's been done over. The writing is poor and too many companions. One is enough sometimes two for the odd episode but no more.

ChequerBoard, Ep3 is where she / the writer remembers the Dr does know stuff.

There’s far, far too much exposition but she does at least take an active role in events.

I just watched last night’s episode - the other dr has gravitas and should replace JW

I've watched Dr Who since Tom Baker. My two ASD teens are avid Whovians. But Chibnall / JW combo is a disaster. I've fallen asleep twice in the last 3 episodes. All the preachy messages and gurning gormlessness is the opposite of the clever fast witty programme of yore (even recently yore: Tennant & Canadian were both great)

Both PC and JW have been lumbered poor stories and the curse of the CGI. That and the both writers and producers thinking throwing everything and the kitchen sink into every adventure works. The stories work better when contained and you can't threaten the whole universe every episode. And enough with the preachy crap and drawing in figures from history to make that point. meh!

I guess the thing is I'm not 12 anymore

I was so bored by Sundays episode

@BarbaraManatee - I like your theory, though a young hawk is actually called a passager, not a passenger.

@2boysDad

"Ruth, the Other doctor, from a few series ago was better. Strong and capable."

yes, I remember watching that thinking THAT is how you play the doctor. JW came across as scrappy doo compared to her.

Scrappy doo doctor I love that so much. Spot on, in the fandom it's parroted that it's all chibnall and never jodie. Tbh she was cringy as fuck on Graham Norton so a little from column A and a little from B.

The latest episode to me was pretty confusing and incomprehensible, for that much timey wimey shit, there needs to be characters you care about and high stakes. Neither were present.

I quite liked the first 2 episodes and am about to give Sundays a rewatch. The humour and energy seemed to be good. I am glad RTD is returning because tbh his worst episodes are infinitely more watchable than any of chibnall, I actually really like love and monsters, never skip it on a rewatch.

@Duckypoohs

I quite liked the first 2 episodes and am about to give Sundays a rewatch. The humour and energy seemed to be good. I am glad RTD is returning because tbh his worst episodes are infinitely more watchable than any of chibnall, I actually really like love and monsters, never skip it on a rewatch.

Confession.... I actually don't mind Love and Monsters either.

Not a classic but I liked the ambition of it and the attempt to try something different...

[quote RustyBear]@BarbaraManatee - I like your theory, though a young hawk is actually called a passager, not a passenger.[/quote]
You are correct @RustyBear, but 'passager' is nothing but the French word for 'passenger', so @BarbaraManatee is also correct!

Just watched Sunday's episode and basically I can sum up my feelings as "WTF?"

The weeping angels were the best bit by far.

They’ve milked the weeping angels - shit scary the first time around and now wheeled out every time the writing is a shit!

I think they're still scary! You're not even safe from pictures of them now.

I don't think they've been wheeled out as many times as the cyber men and Daleks (I'm discounting all the series before the Angels)

Confession time: I adore "love and monsters" and am terrified of the weeping angels- (my children despair of me)

I’ve been so disappointed in this dr - just not strong enough and without that sinister edge the dr has always had. Much prefer the Jo Martin dr, she’s much more convincing as the dr.

I’m not sure about this series yet - it’s a lot of different threads. I do quite like getting glimpses of major villains, it makes sense to me that the Daleks are all over the universe and not always actually getting entangled with the dr, just living their best life waging war all over the place.

I don’t get the criticisms about ‘preachy’ stories though - the messages are usually very blunt and simple, hardly controversial. If ‘racism isn’t good’ is an ultra-progressive or uncomfortable message to you i’m not sure what that says about your world view!

It used to be that the stories were fantastic and any moralising was subtly woven in. It was there but the focus was on entertaining. The writing now is so bad, the stories are clunky and it feels like the moralising is the priority and the story is just plonked around it

JW's sonic screwdriver is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting.

I have been an avid fan of the new Dr Who. Each subsequent new Doctor has taken a little while to grow on me, but then simply becoming the Doctor, such that the next seemed strange and new again. Each has had high and low points, some of my personal favourites are The Day of the Doctor, and The Husbands of River Song.
So I have continued to watch Jodie's Doctor, fully expecting her to click and become simply, the Doctor. But it hasn't happened, and I have been trying to figure out why. And I think a PP has hit the nail on the head with the Scrappy Doo reference!
She's constantly frenetic, trying too hard, is never in control, and never seems to know what she is doing. In the last episode she repeated the line "this planet is protected ". And for the first time, I didn't believe it

I am a big Doctor Who fan but I just gave up half an episode in, cos nothing was really happening. I think the writing is terrible. Although I enjoy Thought for the Day I prefer it on Radio 4 in the morning, rather than in hour-long sci-fi format.

When I watch the old David Tennant episodes (or Matt Smith) there are cracking stories but the more recent writing is just boring.

The current writing is most peculiar. Too many expositions and obvious public service announcements about Bad Things and Good Things rather a subtle unfolding of truths and lies and paradoxes.

I haven't seen things this bad since Davison and McCoy. Colin Baker in between had the acting ability to power through the awful scripts and sets. I think JW might be trying to do the same, but like I said upthread, that sonic screwdriver of hers is doing a lot of work there for her.

@SpindlesWhorl

JW's sonic screwdriver is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting.

Yes! I said exactly this watching the first episode of this series. The bloody sonic is waved around magically as the answer to every thing!

Such lazy writing!

Such a damn shame that the first female doctor is so terrible. The doctor needs to be all knowing, slightly weird, absolutely in charge. This one is the polar opposite. I'm gutted. Can't watch it.

Yes! I said exactly this watching the first episode of this series. The bloody sonic is waved around magically as the answer to every thing!

And yet she still seems to know nothing, @ChequerBoard! I really don't like the characterisation at all. You could put a tabard on her and she wouldn't even have to break character to fit in on Dinnerladies waving her implement about.

She can swap with Petula Gordino.

I wasn't a big fan of RTD. I really don't know if tht kicks me off the thread

Too much sonic waving with JW. But it started being too much with Peter Capaldi.

I am warming to this series though. Am intrigued by what The Division is and the angel in the mind was a good trick.

I really like Jo Martin as the Doctor. Good sense of authority!