doctor who

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is there a thread?

I have watched the first two episodes of the series, so am one behind.

When Chibnall took over I tried really hard but gave up about four or five episodes into JW‘s tenure. The bigger group of companions didn’t work for me and the stories were paper-thin. It made me feel a bit guilty having watched it since Tom Baker but I was just wasting my time.

Anyway, giving it another go and so far am finding this series better. Love Dan and his wok (and Jackie Corkhill turning up as his Mum!). Still don’t find the stories as interesting, it’s all a bit samey, Who by rote. Maybe I just grew up?!

Tonight's episode was brilliant I thought. I didn't like the first episode of this season much as it was so bitty, but now all those bits are starting to get tied together and its genius. Not wanting to spoiler it for those who haven't seen it yet but I suspect a few in this thread will be very pleased about one of the plot developments!

Oh does that mean I can’t discuss what happened in today’s episode ?

Is it technically a spoiler if it’s aired?

Not a spoiler once aired!

Take out all the wooden exposition and that had the makings of an exciting episode.

I’ve been watching Foundation recently, and they don’t seem that far apart …

I found it interesting how much better I responded to Ruth than JW in that entwined scene.

I enjoyed today’s but the story is getting complex. And I loved Matt smith’s doctor with that story arc.

Oh, has everyone abandoned the other thread then? I'll repost my theory from last week here:

I've been doing some research & have concocted a theory that Swarm, Azure & Passenger are Osiris, Isis & Horus of ancient Egyptian mythology. One of them Azure, I think made a reference to their names being translations & maybe not entirely accurate ones. Azure comes from a French mistranslation of an Arabic word which means lapis lazuli, a stone which the Egyptians believed each small piece of held a tiny part of Isis' soul.

Isis' brother and husband was Osiris, God of the afterlife. One of Osiris' titles was "Foremost of the Domain of the Bee" - Swarm.

In the myth, Osiris was killed by his brother & Isis, his sister/wife, brought him back to life & they had Horus. Horus was the falcon-headed god & in falconry a passenger is "a young hunting bird that can fly and is taken while it is still in its first year", according to the Wiktionary page for passenger!

Together, Osiris, Isis & Horus make the main holy triad of Egyptian mythology. "We are three."

Of course, this could all be clutching at straws & nothing whatsoever to do with the story, but the comment about their names being translations intrigued me! Of course, the Moirai/Atropos link is Greek rather than Egyptian... But then there were supposed to be 3 Fates, not the 6 featured & Atropos was one of them, not the name of the temple but Doctor Who is just fiction & I really shouldn't expect it to adhere precisely to myths that the writers might choose to reference!

I do still want to know why Vinder said it couldn't be the Temple of Atropos - it seemed like he was familiar with the concept at least!

^ that's what I posted on the other thread. Tonight, Swarm told the Doctor that they wanted to rule over hell... Like Osiris, the god of the underworld! Also tonight, Vinder had heard of TARDISes so he knows about them and Atropos but doesn't seem to think they were real - myths from his home planet, maybe. Myths that turn out to have some basis in reality... Perhaps our Egyptian myths do too!

Imagine!
I’d be a scaredy cat.

I was thinking that when the doctor said you coming to John bishop that I’d’ve said no thank you very much.

I’m sorry but can’t wait for a new doctor now. Thoroughly disappointed and my kids who are HUGE DW fans are not interested in watching it.

Any idea who the new one is

It’s all down to poor writing. They need to watch a few episodes of Star Trek NG or DS9 to see how excellent sci-fi is done.

Chris Eccleston and David Tenant were in the good times, although even they could have a bit too much woo and disappear up their own arses.
Once the money is thrown at special effects rather than good writing and plot you know the series is going down hill. Also preposterous events that don’t fit the internal logic of the programme. Dr Who is unwatchable now. Chibnall has taken it downhill

I think flux is fantastic. You really needed to pay attention to last nights episode, best season they've done with Jodie.

@Dinosaurwoman

It’s all down to poor writing. They need to watch a few episodes of Star Trek NG or DS9 to see how excellent sci-fi is done. Chris Eccleston and David Tenant were in the good times, although even they could have a bit too much woo and disappear up their own arses. Once the money is thrown at special effects rather than good writing and plot you know the series is going down hill. Also preposterous events that don’t fit the internal logic of the programme. Dr Who is unwatchable now. Chibnall has taken it downhill

Ohh are you a Star Trek discovery fan too by any chance?

I found the second episode hard to watch as it was boring :(. I think I gave up half way and made myself watch the second half the next day. This is so unlike me.

I was absolutely riveted in the chris eccleston and david tennant era. And now watching out of loyalty what happened!?

Ooops DoctorWhoTardis what a cross post!!! I think I've missed something.

I love discovery :)

It’s like they started off in the middle of a series and forgot to tell anyone the back story.
JW gives the impression that the doctor is utterly thick and lurches from disaster to disaster. Her getting out of sticky situations with a plan she had all along , reminds me of Bill &Ted going back in time to plant the keys at the police station, only with less finesse (plot was pulled out of the writer’s arse at the last minute).
I’ve yet to watch last night’s episode. Hope it’s less dire.

Thank you BarbaraManatee, that’s a really fascinating theory - certainly not something that would have occurred to me. Will be interesting to see if your thoughts are confirmed in the unfolding story or just remain an intriguing extension of the imaginarium.

Yes! It’s very Bill and Ted! Put me right off.

@BarbaraManatee that's brilliant! Sadly much better than the actual script so far.
Can't wait for RTD to return. Think we have this series and the specials to endure first though.

She's a good actor but she's been let down by awful writing.
She could have been a really good doctor. But now because of the sup par writing people are going to go oh a female Dr just isn't right. And we'll go back to 50 years of blokes.

Maybe that was the plan. 😁

As soon as they gave her excessive companions I knew they weren't going to pull off a female doctor the tardis does not need a penis to function ffs

Capaldi was let down by poor writing at times too

Its all just gone a bit wrong

It’s not just the writing. Poor JW has been given the worst clothes (worst outfit I’ve ever seen!) and a truly terrible haircut. God knows why.

And she’s spent so long in past series declaring powerless ignorance on every occasion, that it’s now a bit unbelievable when she suddenly does something Time Lordly, off her own bat, without needing a focus group first or intense counselling afterwards.

I think her acting is off too.

It’s definitely not the role she was born for.

Vinder and his partner are Shibogans. The planet is Gallifrey.
I noticed that the ship the cybermen attacked had decorations that looked faintly old school gallifrayen.
AND The Swarm said no planet could rule both Time and Space.
Galllifrey dis/does so why didn't he know that?

OK. I have tried watching this season and giving JW another chance to win me over as the Dr. But I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like her version of the Dr. I think it's a combo of the writing being poor and the characterisation being too different from previous Drs. I really don't care than the dr has regenerated as a woman, I think with the right writing and actor that could actually have worked well.

It's the constant breathlessness and panicky rushing about that I find really annoying. And the not knowing what's going on all the time - that isn't the way the Dr usually operates.