MAFSUK 4 - respect the forum and fill up the other thread first

[BobsDrippyBeak]

Just that really.

@meadowbleu

I literally explained it in my post 😆

I read @CraftyLady28 's post as saying the thread swell of opinion here veers from seeing people in a positive light, to a complete about turn? but that's what they do on these series, build people up and then knock them down, manipulating the viewers' emotions and responses as they go. They're also adept at building up loads of drama and then it comes to nothing after we've got ourselves all wound up about someone.

It was the same with shows like Big Brother, initially billed as an interesting social experiment, only to end up as semi scripted reality full of fame hungry wannabees.

Yes, thats what I was saying, thanks. I agree it's very emotive the way they edit the programme, and they definitely try to steer us in a specific direction

@CraftyLady28 the 'complete 180°' is because some people have shown a really nasty side - e.g. Bob, seemed canny, then became a but irritating, then really annoying, then his nasty tweets came out.
To be honest, I'd be very concerned if a human being wasn't able to change their mind about someone's behaviours. It could put them in a very dangerous and vulnerable position.
And yes, I know this is a TV show, but these people have shown some quite extreme behaviours on the show. The board / thread exists for posters to debate that. That's not unusual or difficult to understand. I've never been on the Eastenders thread, but I'm guessing they have similar debates about the characters even though it's a soap opera. It's human nature.

It isn’t the reactions to the people that tend to be extreme but the reactions to their actions acting that creates the response.

Bob, for example, was bouncy and happy and said all the right things. Only for him to flash an entitled unlikeable side when he acted like a sulky teen when he was denied a place in her bed.

These programmes are designed to be provocative and polarising.

Bob could save grannies from burning buildings and breathe life into kittens in real life and be a wonderful person.

It just so happens that on here he isn’t showing these qualities. I’m only passing an opinion on what I see on here and what has been copied showing his posts on Twitter.

Actions shape our opinions on people - in real life and on the box.

I liked a colleague once. After a four year campaign where he told lies to ruin my reputation and accused me of criminal acts, my opinion of him changed. In the extreme.

Cross post but I think we are on the same page again rainbow and you put it better. Again ☺️

Sheldon I thought the reverse, and that you were actually more coherent than me.

One thing is for sure, I do still actually enjoy (perhaps in a slightly sadist way) watching programmes relating to human behaviour. And the more interesting thing is how it makes us reflect upon those we have come across I previous relationships who have acted sinularly. A PP I think said yesterday that it is almost cathartic.

*similarly

@SheldonesqueTheBstard

It isn’t the reactions to the people that tend to be extreme but the reactions to their actions acting that creates the response.

Bob, for example, was bouncy and happy and said all the right things. Only for him to flash an entitled unlikeable side when he acted like a sulky teen when he was denied a place in her bed.

These programmes are designed to be provocative and polarising.

Bob could save grannies from burning buildings and breathe life into kittens in real life and be a wonderful person.

It just so happens that on here he isn’t showing these qualities. I’m only passing an opinion on what I see on here and what has been copied showing his posts on Twitter.

Actions shape our opinions on people - in real life and on the box.

I liked a colleague once. After a four year campaign where he told lies to ruin my reputation and accused me of criminal acts, my opinion of him changed. In the extreme.

I understand that. I totally get your point re changing opinions and characters on soaps etc. Your final example is also an extreme case, though, which was my observation - that the extreme examples aren't the norm, but a lot of time on here it's discussed as if it is. I'm obviously not articulating this well, but I hope that makes sense x

[quote RainbowZebraWarrior]@CraftyLady28 the 'complete 180°' is because some people have shown a really nasty side - e.g. Bob, seemed canny, then became a but irritating, then really annoying, then his nasty tweets came out.
To be honest, I'd be very concerned if a human being wasn't able to change their mind about someone's behaviours. It could put them in a very dangerous and vulnerable position.
And yes, I know this is a TV show, but these people have shown some quite extreme behaviours on the show. The board / thread exists for posters to debate that. That's not unusual or difficult to understand. I've never been on the Eastenders thread, but I'm guessing they have similar debates about the characters even though it's a soap opera. It's human nature.[/quote]
But his tweets that I've seen have literally been a bit unpleasant and calling his friend's ex a name.
That behaviour isn't usual today, and it's also human nature to stick up for your mates if you think their ex has wronged them. Yes, it's unpleasant but the tweets that I've seen haven't been "nasty" when you compare it to most of the crap that people post online.

I also didn't say it was difficult to understand, I just said I found the very extreme views bizarre. I also know it isn't real life. Of course people can have opinions.
A few posters have also said that "bitch" isn't a word that is particularly awful to them, but apparently we're wrong for having that opinion.

I didn't pick up your meaning at all although of course I read your post. That's why I asked for further explanation.

Still not sure what you're getting at. I've never liked Bob but I haven't called anyone a bitch or a bastard. I think I called him an ARSE tbf.

There are some extreme views on the thread and some more moderate ones. C'est la vie! Nothing bizarre about it at all.

Sorry, to CraftyLady.

Yes it was an extreme case but yet I’ve been exposed to a lot of extreme opinions and actions in my dull ordinary little life.

My experiences, I would hope, are most definitely not commonplace or the norm.

But what is not the norm is crying and wailing like your 40 year old marriage has collapsed when in fact you are in a tv programme, have been paired for a week and there has been zero affection shown by your co-star.

Extreme behaviour will possibly elicit an extreme comment or opinion. Human nature really. I don’t find it bizarre at all.

With regards to Bob, I suppose most of his tweets could be considered tame or not as bad as others on line.

They are not the ones on a tv programme making on they are the ‘nice guy’ though. ‘Fucking slag, bitch and mentally retarded’ don’t fit that profile or persona.

As for bitch? I don’t get bothered by it because the old saying of sticks and stones and names came to pass in my case. I was called it so often that it may as well have been my name. Being called a bitch did not change my face forever. Something else did that.

We all have different takes on life and have different opinions on people which is why these programmes generate multiple threads.

No-ones opinion is wrong or unwarranted. We debate it strongly and our views may or may not be coloured by our experiences in life. But the debate is just that. It is fascinating to me that we can all have different opinions watching the exact same thing.

A release or break from ordinarily life is always welcome for me.

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Yes I agree with you, opinions are all valid.

Respecting the place-marking ready for tonight :)

Seeing all this discussion about Bob calling Megan a bitch... I can't get worked up about it.

It's one of those words that is becoming increasingly toxic but its still relatively common in everyday parlance. If the sexes were reversed in the situation I imagine she'd call him a prick or something.

Just as an aside... is Franky's last name really Spencer?

I think most threads on social media about reality TV tend to be like this one, which is why I was wondering why this one in particularly was bizarre.

As a society we are losing all sense of shades of grey, ever more polarised and less nuanced. Reality TV has been a big part of this. We are being shown a story by the producers; although real people are involved, we're being offered a soap opera. There's no appetite for measured portrayals of people in this format.

I do think actually that plenty of posters on here are fairly even-handed, compared to some other corners of the internet.

@TonyThreePies it actually is. Frank Spencer. Who does that to a child? No wonder he's messed up !

He's as old as the hills though, probably pre dates the TV show!

[quote happilybemused]@TonyThreePies it actually is. Frank Spencer. Who does that to a child? No wonder he's messed up ! [/quote]
This has gone completely over my head… who’s frank spencer?? 😂

Stop making me feel old ugh 🤫

I don’t know who he is either

@Simonjt

I don’t know who he is either

I’m with you Sheldon… 🤦‍♀️

Would you like to borrow my spare big slipper sunbird?

This thread has taken a very depressing turn.

How old do we all feel knowing who he is! Wanky frankies parents would have been of the generation to know what they'd done!