Love Island 19- Last dates and sealed fates

[AngeloMysterioso]

Crack on!

I don’t get the impression that Kaz is into performative tears like some of the others

She is very in control and very aware of how she comes across.. Everything is a performance., I don’t think she is showing her real self at all. I agree though that she and Lib’s friendship was real and I liked that she stayed the night with Lib.

I’m glad they have access to counsellors.

Well I was wrong!...proves though that Jake was laying a hand just for the sun. "I'm not fighting for something g I'm not that I to" wtf maybe Liberty did it as she wanted him to prove her wrong. Fair play to the girl though boy of a shocked though.

I want Toby n Chloe to win they just don't take things to seriously. It would be shit for Liam and millie to win tbh as he fucked it. Though I do think they love each other.
Fayes voice in any situation is grating! I don't think she deserves all the hate though! Feel for her when she comes out and some of the comments on this thread are awful I read one earlier about "cut Mary open she'll be rotten" fucking hell has no body learned from Caroline, Sophie, Mike comments like that are uncalled for.

I’ve missed the last couple of episodes and don’t know whether it’s worth catching up, really lost interest but I’ll definitely watch the meeting parents and the final.

I loved the other series I’ve watched but this year really has been so dull. Pretty much everyone has stayed in their original couples then all the boring bombshells like AJ, Danny, Brett, Priya, Aaron etc that have created zero impact and added nothing.

And yeah Tyler isn't into kaz "not rushing" and all that bollocks he got back with her as he didn't wanna be the bad guy and wants that wonga

I'm confused re the "it's not all about you" comments. Jake was very very clearly joking at the time, yet she's relaying it to the others as if he said it in an angry, nasty way? OK, I get that she has the gut feeling, but why has she turned that incident into something that it wasn't?
Also, she needs to really have a sit down and think things through logically for the future. A relationship isn't about "you think I'm messy and that means you don't love me for me, ergo we're not right for each other." Sheesh, imagine how many couples would actually last if they had to match in every way. Again, I don't think they're suited, but not for those reasons.
I think he's joking with her a lot, and she doesn't really get his sense of humour, she wants a lot of reassurance which he can't be arsed giving her.
I also don't know why the girls are going on about him "not fighting for her ".
She told him over a few days that she felt like things had changed and then said they should go their separate ways. I'm not sure he felt that there was much to fight for by that stage. She'd been miserable for days and was taking every single thing to heart.
In saying that, he clearly wasn't in love with her, so had nothing to fight for.

I also think that he coupled up with her cos he did fancy her, but her character and morals and personality didn't match what he had expected from how she looked (ie insecure, not confident etc), which stopped things in their tracks a bit, but by that time he had to go through the motions a bit.

@SpanishFly can’t disagree with you

I think this is just a case of interpretation tho SpanishFly because I don’t particularly think he was joking, his tone of voice, while not angry exactly, IMO was weird and unpleasant, and he repeated it several times, but even so, I think a lot of it is in the context. He’s making digs at Liberty quite often, she doesn’t feel good about herself when she’s around him and she feels like something is off. There’s a lot to be said for the way someone makes you feel and that’s something that someone outside of the relationship can’t ever understand as well as those in the relationship.
Liberty was much more into him than he was her and it got too much feeling that way. Rather common, only normally it isn’t played out on tv for everyone to judge.
And I’m getting way too involved in this 😂

I think they are all playing a game.

Liberty was genuinely upset. I think Jake’s ‘sense of humour’ if that’s what it is is a bit cutting. She said he said something about her heels and dresses. The heels could be explained because of his height but the clothes???
He wasn’t into her. That’s ok but he should have told her. Then again Hugo was blasted because he said he didn’t find the girls attractive.

I disagree, I do think Jake liked Liberty as a person and a friend, he just never really fancied her that much, hence the movie night clip. That's fair enough, you can't help who you find attractive in that way and who you don't.

I not a Jake fan as I think he should have been honest with Lib weeks ago that he wasn't that isn't her. However, I also recognise that is a spectacularly inarticulate man, to the point that just can't put what's going through his head into words at all.

It's not just that he can't find quite the right words, he just can't find any words and so he gives and mumbles something that makes no sense like 'you're my girlfriend'. There are clearly things that phrases means to him that he can't explain. I find it quite sad to see actually.

I agree @ChequerBoard - spectacularly inarticulate is the perfect way to describe Jake.

@JacquelineCarlyle

I agree *@ChequerBoard* - spectacularly inarticulate is the perfect way to describe Jake.

This is ridiculously accurate 😂

I bet the producers are kicking themselves that they didn't show the clothes/heels conversation.

Also. Can anyone remind me why Liam is getting SUCH a hard time over what happened with Lillie? As much as he missed someone else, it was early ish in their coupling, and he's clearly realised he was wrong and has made it up to Millie.

@SofaSpuds

Did anyone else think that Liberty and Jake's date looked so fake, like they were sitting in front of a green screen & not actually on a boat?

Everyone says this every year It is a real boat!

@todaysdilemma

Liberty has really behaved with great composure and maturity here. Compared with so many of the truly awful arguments and break ups on this show - she dealt with it very well.

I think she has read some self help books, which makes sense if she said in the VT she's had a succession of crap relationships with men who don't treat her well. I really hope this has been a wake up call to Faye that being strong isn't shouting and ranting - it's walking away from something that doesn't suit you, and managing it in a way that doesn't hurt or upset anyone else. And not blaming men and the world for your decision - just accepting some things don't work!

Absolutely.

Faye could do well to learn a few things from how Liberty (not her friend, remember), has behaved.

I know we've moved on but just to clarify for Lampzade I think Liberty rehearsed her little soundbites (as in they were given to her by others to say).

And SpanishFly - I agree with your views on Jake.

Re Freddy's date standing in a pool, don't they usually only have four final dates for the finalists and this year there are 5.

I think the impending / probable / potential Jiberty split and departure meant they needed to organise a 5th final date at short notice to ensure that all the finalists had had a final date. I wonder if they gave the crap date to Feddy as they were expecting them to leave before the final so there was no date for them. If so Faye has only got to the final because her non friend Liberty decided to leave.

@SpanishFly

I'm confused re the "it's not all about you" comments. Jake was very very clearly joking at the time, yet she's relaying it to the others as if he said it in an angry, nasty way? OK, I get that she has the gut feeling, but why has she turned that incident into something that it wasn't?

I've said that a couple of times on a few threads now.

I didn't sense that he was joking. I thought he was being utterly cold towards her in that interaction.

Strange how we see things differently really.

I haven't watched it since weds I went off it when it became the F show.
However, any chance of a bit of an update on the other couples?

I thought he was just having a laugh.. it seemed to go from zero to inferno very quickly but understand we are only seeing snapshots of whole days events

It made me laugh when Liberty said her head was fried, makes a change from the usual 'scrambled'. What next, boiled? Poached?

I think Jake was trying to be funny, but didn’t manage the required tone so it didn’t land. I don’t like him much but on that occasion I really don’t think he was being a bastard. He’s not an eloquent, verbally expressive person and he got it wrong there. So IMO Liberty is either choosing to misinterpret his tone to fit her narrative or she’s also a bit dim and hasn’t “read” the comments for what they were 🤷‍♀️

It’s all so unnecessarily dramatic - all the talk of growth and journeys. They’re in their early 20s, have had a holiday fling/shag, it’s not got legs, end of. It’s fine to see it for what it is - all the agonising is painful.

Also. Can anyone remind me why Liam is getting SUCH a hard time over what happened with Lillie? As much as he missed someone else, it was early ish in their coupling, and he's clearly realised he was wrong and has made it up to Millie.

For me, the reason I didn't like Liam was that he literally jumped in bed with someone else the very first night. Then when he came back and Millie was so genuinely upset his face looked blank the whole time - there was no hint of emotion.

Thanks. I couldn't remember what the story was at Casa.

Re Jake and the "it's all about you" comment, that's the sort of thing that we'd say to each other, sarcasm and deadpan, so I didn't think anything at all of it. He seemed to be the same.
When liberty brought these things up, every single time he groaned and said something like "not this again" or "THAT upset you?!" Again the implication that she was overanalysing everything he said. That would be so draining. And in Liberty's own words, she doesn't want to change who she is, yet also criticised a lot of what Jake said. So it wasn't one-sided by any stretch.
He's not a terrible person, and it's worrying how seriously some people on FB etc are taking it all.