Mother of God: Line of Duty thread 5 - **MNHQ edit**; "We are obliged to warn you that any spoilers will be taken down and used against you. No spoilers, even upcoming characters, please, in the name of the wee man. (aka Steve Arnott)

[IstandwithJackieWeaver]

Hope no one minds me starting a new thread as 4 was filled on one episode.

Ted has been the police so long that they won't necessarily have his DNA on file from him joining. He was arrested and interviewed last series so his DNA may be on the nominal database from then.

Buckles is at the golf course with Tommy Hunter in S1 too apparently. I need to check for myself!!

I saw that Twitter post about buckells being on the golf course but I don’t think it was him TBH, the face looked like a different shape

I have long thought Osbourne is dodgy (and we know he’s horrible anyway) but I don’t think that can be the biggest reveal as by this point we just expect all the big ones to be bent 😂

Checking in!

But don’t we already think (know!) Osborne is bent because of the court case and the pressure put on Steve to lie in S1?
Or was that not Osborne?

Yes he’s bent there in the sense he’s lied to cover up the mistake, but it’s a question of whether he’s in the OCG rather than just covering his own arse :o

The key to it is why Gail Vella was murdered. She was working on something that they killed her to stop it coming out. And they now are stopping the killer being caught. I guess to prevent the story coming out.

And James Lakewell spoke to her. I wonder if that’s why they killed him. Not because he spoke to Steve, but because they know he spoke to Gail, but even if it was talking to Steve, It’s something James knew.

So ultimately it’s all about why she was killed. Jo, Ryan, buckells, James, Terry. They were all being used/killed/threatened to stop it coming out. All of it, is about the story line Gail Vella was working on. That’s the biggie.

The thing Jimmy Lakewell was on about to Gail Vella.
That it was better for the police to be accused of racism & to accept that because the truth is far worse.
The truth being terrorism.
Combine that with Ted's Oscar winning 'Mother of God' & look of severe shock when he saw who Jo Davidson was a blood relative of.
Plus reading all of thread 4 & then a completely mad thought/theory popped into my head.

Ted & his RUC colleague Patrick O'Malley were the victims of a roadside pipebomb targeted at their vehicle. The explosion killed O'Malley and left Ted injured.
As Ted & O'Malley are/were Catholic the attack was covered up by senior members of the RUC, who conveniently "lost" the log book detailing patrol routes that evening.
Thinking about 'The Troubles' in NI in real life, all the awful things that happened, the undercover operations/investigations, moles & double agents on both sides, the organised crime too.

So is Patrick O'Malley the blood relation of Jo?
Does H & the OCG go way back to 1970s Northern Ireland?
Are police/people involved in that arena still covering things up?

@Bluntness100 could corrupt RUC officers involved with paramilitary organisations & criminal activities be the story?

That is a cracking theory!

But why would O'Malley be on the nominals database?

@CheshireSplat

But why would O'Malley be on the nominals database?

Not sure how he would be on either since he died before the database was established.

Gail Vella and her discussions with Jimmy keep coming back to Osborne and that particular case.

But then Jimmy said that cover up was understandable and to mitigate damage to their reputation, but at other times the reasons are more obscure - then we deliberately don’t here what they say as the others talk over the tape. So whatever he says then must be the key.

@GuyFawkesDay

Buckles is at the golf course with Tommy Hunter in S1 too apparently. I need to check for myself!!

I don’t think it was him - I tried to catch an image but all too blurry.

You see that person walking across the car park as Gates is walking over to Tommy, but he’s not with Tommy when he’s playing.

I am sure there is an NI angle, because of what it means for Ted ("I'm black" in S1)

But I don't see how an anti- islamist terrorism raid going badly connects with that.

They got the wrong flat because the number was loose, and no-one noticed. Is that likely?

But what it does show is is a whole number of AFOs ready to support the arse-covering version. The start of their corruption? Would Steve notice at some point that his erstwhile colleagues were implicated?

If the truthful version of the fucked up raid had come out at the time (in terms of actions on the day) what difference would that have made? Who would have been sacked - Steve?

Separately where was Kate before S1? She's the one best able to compartmentalise her life.

Agree btw with the comment much earlier that no one in the OCG seems to be doing particularly well from it (though Jackie Laverty had a huge house). So what is the pay off? The highest elected offices? Bent police collusion with politicians?

But why would O'Malley be on the nominals database?

He wouldn't be on a police database at all - he died before 1989 (when Ted moved to England) and DNA tech was very new and not routinely taken from police officers at that time.

Also his name would mean little to Steve and nothing to Chloe.

Any high profile figures been done eg for getting spouse to take driving points? and then offence smothered from press coverage. That would put someone on database (as arrested). Then the hit from Jo's DNA is then simply a plot deceive to bring that person onto the radar

I'm presuming the guy who got killed in the series 1 counter-terrorism raid was an OCG target and, from an OCG point of view, the raid wasn't really botched. This does seem a rather convoluted way of killing someone, but I guess the police wouldn't be looking for any other motive behind the killing, other than 'potentially racist police cock-up.'

Yes it is a criminal who was on the police database when jo joined, ans someone who means something to Steve and ted. As in they are immediately recognisable

But it all hangs on whatever Gail Vella was writing about, whatever it was, is what’s caused the whole thing, that’s the clue to it all.

So what would James know, and be able to tell Vella about? Who were the balaclava men?

@IstandwithJackieWeaver

That strikes me as a Jed joke to tease us all. He's admitted he does it and puts red herrings in.

Quite possible.

I think Gail Vela was investigating an institutional racism angle to the series 1 counter-terrorism botched operation killing, and Jimmy Lakewell was telling her there was a different motivation, which opened up a whole can of OCG links to the police worms.

We don't know the DNA sample was on the database when Jo joined do we? All we know is that it is on the nominals database when the samples were taken from Farida's place.

I’m not sure, but whatever it was she was writing about, it was enough she was murdered because of it. That jo was effectely blackmailed to stop the real killer being found, that James was killed because he might have talked, that buckells was thrown under the bus for it, that an attempt was made on Terry’s life to stop him talking, that Carl and that long haired blonde guy were murdered for it, that prison guards have been used, that Farida was framed and that the police officer driving Terry was also killed.

It was Lee banks who killed James in prison, and he was mates with Corbett, who was a balaclava man. And so was Tommy Hunter. So it looks like they are linking them all together, and someone at the top in the police is running a massive ocg ring.

@IstandwithJackieWeaver

We don't know the DNA sample was on the database when Jo joined do we? All we know is that it is on the nominals database when the samples were taken from Farida's place.

Steve said it wasn’t routinely ran when jo joined, which indicated to me, had it been they’d have picked up the link...

@IstandwithJackieWeaver

We don't know the DNA sample was on the database when Jo joined do we? All we know is that it is on the nominals database when the samples were taken from Farida's place.

That's definitely what Steve insinuated.

@EsmaCannonball

I think Gail Vela was investigating an institutional racism angle to the series 1 counter-terrorism botched operation killing, and Jimmy Lakewell was telling her there was a different motivation, which opened up a whole can of OCG links to the police worms.

No, dont think she was, because she said - in response to his comment about being accused of racism being better that the alternative- that she hadn't detected any race element.

Remind me why we think the person was on the database when Jo joined?

Steve said it wasn’t routinely ran when jo joined, which indicated to me, had it been they’d have picked up the link...

That's what I took from it as well. Which is why I've been saying it can't be some of the people mentioned on here.

Yes basically he did two things, Steve indicated they didn’t purposely go looking for it, ie they were not trying to match Jo’s dna, and that if Jo’s dna had been speculatively checked on joining they’d habe picked up who her relative was.

Whomever it is, is a really big deal.