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[PolkadotsAndMoonbeams]

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Oh and I agree re drag and BBC’s strange pushing of it. It’s one of those areas where no one is allowed to say they don’t like it or they are immediately a hateful awful person. It’s tiresome. It’s more that bbc 3 program and those sort of drag “artists” I dislike as I’m sure how that can’t be offensive to females? I don’t mind the Perry Grayson type stuff and don’t care if I see a man wearing a dress or dancing in a dress - it’s the whole OTT extreme charactiture of woman that the bbc3 blue hydrangea type of drag protrays that I’m not keen on. I’m just not sure why it’s not considered offensive? Especially since everything else is sooo offensive these days.

The pro dance was good. I liked the dancing. I didn’t have any issue with them being in drag as it fitted the musical they were doing. Gio looked like he was having a laugh with it and enjoying. Gorka too though as he said on ITT he struggled with the heels so think he was focused on that too much and his performance wasn’t as light as Gio’s. They are professional dancers they did a great job. Johannes is clearly enjoying himself and is a brilliant dancer. This is going to be so controversial but I’m not sure why there is such a fuss around him. He’s a great dancer I saw that. I think he seems like a nice person too. I don’t think he’s any more special that some of the other pros yet he seems to be pushed centre stage so often.

BBC bitesize article: 'The Fabulous History of Drag'.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zbkmkmn

Not neutral or acknowledging complexities as would be expected for an educational article. Rather strange!

There is quite a discussion in teh show about the difference between Bernadette's older style of performance and the much more in your face Felicia.

In the show they are dressed pretty much the same as the female Diva's, sometimes classic beauty, other times sparky "fabulous". You really can't tell the sex of the performers most of the time.

I’m just not sure why it’s not considered offensive? Especially since everything else is sooo offensive these days.

Everything apart from grotesquely parodying women (or 'fish', as they're referred to in drag parlance). That's just fabulous entertainment, dahling, and anyone who doesn't think so is a dried-up, bitter, poisonous rad fem.

@ppeatfruit

Vanity That's handy ! I've got some in my wardrobe! I like them too.

True Schady What did you think about that S&M dress worn by Tess on Sat. ?

Someone upthread described it as something like "a military drainpipe with an S&M collar" (suitable for kinky parties) or summat. I thought that summed it up.

I wonder if she EVER looks in the mirror before she steps in front of the camera? Or if she and Vicky Giggles in wardrobe are having an outfit fight for a bet.

VG - "Heheheheheh! Even SHE will never wear THIS one"

TD - "In your FACE, Giggles! It'll take more than a black vinyl gimp-mask boob tube to embarrass ME! Anyone would think you had never met my husband."

Oh - I've got some bell bottoms in the back of the wardrobe, too, Vanity

Re drag: - the make-up fascinates me - they way they can use 3lbs of foundation contour and colouring to transform an often quite plain man into a facsimile of an attractive woman - but many of the drag artists, and a huge proportion of the routines seem so misogynistic and sometimes downright vicious, I can't stand to watch - and much of the humour is very coarse - really disgusting, and I'm not particularly a prude.

I daresay not all drag performers are like that, but a big proportion are, and I don't like it. It's very demeaning to women.

@SchadenfreudePersonified

Oh - I've got some bell bottoms in the back of the wardrobe, too, Vanity

Exactly what I was thinking. My bell bottoms are long thrown out, but if they were still in the wardrobe, to be taken out, they definitely wouldn't fit me!

I have my showaddywaddy tartan trimmed flares in the loft. They are dinky.

Sadly there is no chance of getting them over my legs. I’d have more chance of wearing them as a marry shrug.

I watched last night. I think the wrong decision was made. I still didn’t like the dance biscuits did.

Both were on a shoogly peg. So fully expect him to go next week.

Also fully expecting my lovely Metallica to get well and truly murdered.

We're you a Bay City Rollers fan, Lady B'Stard? all the girls in my class were. They had tartan scarves tied around their wrists and very, very wide flares.....

I agree with what you say, SparklingDinosaurs. The dour Scotsman points above were lighthearted, but culturally, men raised in the Church of Scotland are more reserved. I know they frown on boastfulness and conceit (quite rightly!). JJ had a good go and did well.
I couldn't agree more about Maisie. It really annoys me when people like that talk of their hard work and long hours. At a time like this!

It is difficult when got more correct, but was doing an easier dance. I don't mind too much either way.

I have mixed feelings on drag, but think some people use it as an excuse to be nasty. I don't have a problem with men dressing as women to perform per se. I've been to plenty of shows at all boys schools, with boys taking female parts, I find some Lily Savage stuff very funny, and don't mind the Two Ronnie's sketches when they're dressed up as women. Probably because they're poking fun at a 'character', and they did the same dressed as men. I think the pantomime would lose something without a dame, but then, part of the joke is that they're a man, and pantomime has a lot of traditions. But I really didn't like drag race, despite a lot of my friends loving it, it wasn't funny or clever (apart from some of the make up, I admit, I couldn't do anything like that).

@Maireas

I agree with what you say, SparklingDinosaurs. The dour Scotsman points above were lighthearted, but culturally, men raised in the Church of Scotland are more reserved. I know they frown on boastfulness and conceit (quite rightly!). JJ had a good go and did well. I couldn't agree more about Maisie. It really annoys me when people like that talk of their hard work and long hours. At a time like this!

It's a slippery slope from smiling and dancing to incense, alters and status of saints.

That would be altars and statues. Thanks autocorrect.

Indeed, Polkadots! My mother said that when she was a child in Scotland, the children's swings were chained up on the Sabbath. No swings on a Sunday for you, child!

I might’ve been maireas

My grandma made them for me. They weren’t as fancy as some pairs but they were made with love and I swooshed my tartan with the best of them.

Shangalang.

I didn't think J Jwas dour at all. Slightly earnest and dull, bless him, but certainly not dour. He's just not a theatrical performer/YouTube fame-chaser. He and Ranvir have been very refreshing, I find; normal people expressing themselves in slightly less OTT ways than some of the others.

@Maireas I knew it was lighthearted reallya d I agree re men raised in Church of Scotland. I suppose it becomes a little weary hearing that someone isn’t enjoying something just because they aren’t very expressive in that joy (I don’t mean your own comments just general comments). I myself am quite reserved and have been asked (by an American client) why the grumpy face when I was actually having a wonderful evening and it really upset me. I’d never ask them why the fake cheesy grin

@PolkadotsAndMoonbeams agree with your drag comments. I have no issue with boys playing girls or vice verse and the traditional pantomime drag or lightly poking fun at typical female stereotyping if it too excessive or indeed the drag acts I think of in past where it was literally a man dressed as a woman in lovely make up clothing and then doing their act whether signing comedy etc. So for instance what the strictly pros did. It’s the bubble of underlying nastiness in some drag acts now that seems odd to me and the completely ott looks and make up. It’s like they are making fun of woman rather than finding a joy in dressing and performing as one. I don’t watch much though and don’t know lots about drag so maybe am not best places to comment. If they refer to female as “fish” though it’s not going to be a good thing though is it

I know what you mean Sparkling, I have resting bitch face and often get told I look miserable when I’m perfectly happy, just not actually smiling at that precise moment.

As I practically am Ada, I love Cissie and Ada. Lily used to make me laugh. I remember the two Ronnies and dick Emery giving it large ladywise.

I can’t remember it being hugely nasty or deeply offensive.

I didn’t find the Priscilla thing a bother either.

I do not like the nastiness that some drag acts come out with regarding women.

The likes of Drag Race? I love the make up - in fact I am fascinated by it. Some of it is amazing. (Given I can just about manage a swipe of lippy and mascara, I am in awe)

That is about it.

Lily Savage is, as far as I can tell, done from genuine affection for women, Paul O'Grady was celebrating the strong women that had influenced his life. While Lily is undoubtedly a charicature there is no nastiness to "her". We laugh at Lily, as far as I can tell the drag race types are laughing at women via grotesque stereotypes.

i have no interest in drag.
wonder what fast dance Maisie is doing.

Samcro . Are there any left?

Has MEasie had a couples dance?

The only thing I can see over-riding a fast dance would be a contempowafty thing with feet 😬

@DigOutThoseLemonHandWipes

Lily Savage is, as far as I can tell, done from genuine affection for women, Paul O'Grady was celebrating the strong women that had influenced his life. While Lily is undoubtedly a charicature there is no nastiness to "her". We laugh at Lily, as far as I can tell the drag race types are laughing at women via grotesque stereotypes.

Oddly enough, that's the whole premise of Kinky Boots is

Don - "You like women?

Lola - Ha, I adore them, I worship them.

My whole being is dedicated to loving them"