Des.. ITV David Tennant Drama...

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Who else is watching?? Hope its not too gory!!

I can rest easy tonight! 😆 I always spend my time trying to figure out who's been in what. 🤷🏻‍♀️

He must be a Philip originally - he definitely doesn't look like a Pip!

Well that was cheery

That was good. Must reorder the book and read again.

Was that the Old Bailey used in the court scenes? It's pretty impressive.

I think it's possible that he killed many young men. I think it's really sad (and I don't think this really featured in the programme) that there were so many desperate young people around in the early 80s. Many went to London. Life would have been grim for many.

I'm wondering why it was so easy for Nilsen to burn bodies in the garden of Melrose Place which, after all was in a respectable suburban neighbourhood.

It was chilling at end when he said if he wasn't stopped he would have killed hundreds. He reported the blocked drains himself, he wanted to be caught.

Why did Brian Masters continue to visit him for 10 years? I would have given him a wide berth.

I agree he probably wanted to be caught..but why? Notoriety? Conscience?

@ageingdisgracefully

I agree he probably wanted to be caught..but why? Notoriety? Conscience?

I think the key with Nielsen was control. He would have hated being caught off guard, so he orchestrated his capture as a way of staying in control.

It was fairy easy to burn bodies in Melrose Place, in the garden. People still have bonfires now, without suspicion. I think Nilsen burnt tyres with the bodies to disguise the smell.
Nilsen has to move out that property so the landlord could renovate it, he moved to a flat with no garden. Hence why he put the flesh down the drains.
Had he have stopped his desire for killing then, he may have got away with the Melrose murders.
Probably impossible to know for sure how many victims Nilsen had. It was hard in the early 80s to find missing people, going through records must have taken lots of time.

What i found surprising is that he behaved very much like sex offenders that i work with. Very banale type people, very ordered, detail orientated, pedantic. That bit where he handed Masters an exercise book with amendments that needed to be made is very typical.

Regarding Carl Stotters did anyone see the channel 5 documentary "Born to Kill" ?

He was interviewed on that and came across as an extremely vulnerable person

@AnyFucker Yes i did Poor bloke.

I wondered how much dna from the crime scenes has been kept?
It would be good to think that there's enough to eventually identify all of his victims as science progresses.

I thought Daniel Mays was fantastic in this getting the shock and frustration of the case just right and being able to express the horror at what he found as part of the investigation. He complimented David Tennent's performance.

Daniel Mays is a very fine and versatile actor

they were disappointed that had to stop with their leads, dna has made such a difference to cases.

handsoff i agree. I was in my early 20s then and living in a city myself. It was very anonymous. There was no real way of connecting with other people as many were themselves drifting from one place to another.

It would have been easy to disappear...and in his job at the Job centre, Nilsen would probably have found it easy to target vulnerable young men.

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*Regarding Carl Stotters did anyone see the channel 5 documentary "Born to Kill" ?

He was interviewed on that and came across as an extremely vulnerable person*

We recorded it but wanted to watch Des first.

I worked for the civil service in the 80s ( not called that now, it's the DWP) and everyone could smoke in the office! They made a smoking room for them eventually when passive smoking was looked into.
I was a non smoker and I used to go in there lunchtimes as it was a lot of fun but I come home stinking of smoke!
Everyone was allowed to smoke inside buildings then .. incredible now to think it was like that ( and on planes too!)
Different times. I think it's odd to see them in these type of dramas smoking away!

I read that Carl Stottor completely changed his identity not long after the trial and that he has since died?

Looking at the pictures of the known victims, he definitely had a physical type he went for - long hair, round face, somewhat "pretty". He also favoured victims whose disappearance wouldn't be noted, which suggests some sort of premeditation. I'm surprised they didn't use that in court. If he'd chatted to a potential victim and heard him mention a current partner or family at home waiting for him, he would have moved on.

An acquaintance who used to work in the prison service told me that out of all of the serious criminals he'd ever met, only Nilsen had ever given him the creeps on sight. He met him briefly when he was being moved between prisons.

I spelled Carl's name wrong. Apologies.

I remember smoking on airlines even in the 90s, and pretty much everywhere else.