How shit is the Tudors?

[LittleBella]

On so many levels...

i love it not historicaly correct but handsome men with clothes off..oh no ive become a desperate housewife havnt i

just seen the repeat....rumpy pumpy and pomp...perfect hubby is out tv

tho' agree that objectively it is shite!

true my hubby is out so its all good

I am getting a tummy ache thinking of what I have to look forward to ...
I am a bit of a History boffin (studied this period for my degree) and I can't stand it when people get it wrong ... it really isn't that hard to get it right you know.
I have read all the Philippa Gregory stuff out of curiosity and usually want to chuck it through the window for its shiteness in terms of accuracy ... so god knows what I will think of this.

BTW ... Henry VIII had two very famous murdered uncles but they were murdered before he was born ... The Princes in the Tower ...
I can't think of any other uncle that was murdered.

Maybe they've re-written history and the Princes in the Tower were never murdered, but instead grew up to become trusted ambassadors to the French court?
And I thought Charles Brandon became Duke of Suffolk AFTER he'd run of with Henry's sister? Or am I completely wrong? (note to self, STOP reading Philippa Gregory )

I read a feature on this in the Radio Times (yes I have become my grandmother! It was my MIL's copy, mind you). The writer/director said they had dispensed with accuracy in some bits to make it more dramatic. So, Henry's two sisters are merged into one, Henry starts messing around with the Boleyns in his 20s when that didn't happen until much later and so on.

I agree with Woollymummy that Buckingham would be a better Henry with his colouring!

At the tournament celebrating the coronation of Mary Tudor as Queen of France (wife of Louis XII), the Marquis of Dorset wrote that Louis had said "my Lord of Suffolk and I did shame all of France" - so he was definitely Duke of Suffolk by then. Louis was much older than Mary & only lived a short while after their marriage, at which point Francis became King.

As for Henry's uncle, he may well be a dramatic invention, but Elizabeth of York (Henry's mother) had sisters, so he could be the husband of one of them, or an illegitimate son of Edward IV, Elizabeth's father. The dates don't really fit, but it's obvious there's not a lot of point expecting them to...

As for merging Margaret & Mary Tudor into one, I'm not sure how that works, given that one married the king of France & the other the king of Scotland.

i only saw the last five minutes and i will be watching it again as it's so conveniently repeated for when i'm fannying around on the computer in the wee small hours but i want it to be known that J Rhys Meyers CANNOT ACT. he's shit in every single thing he does.

gormenghast.
they're merging mary and margaret? how can that work?

For those who fancy something readable but with added Proper History, Alison Plowden wrote a fantastic series of factual books about this period - centred around Elizabeth I, but they go into the period before her accession in some detail.

how much shagging, PW? and what were the nipple like? enquiring minds need to know.

i quite enjoyed it. although jonathan rhys meyers looks disturbingly like my little brother, so no hotness there.

i do wish they'd think of another time period to dramatise. for example what about henrys 1-4? lots of material there, but no tv execs are interested it would seem...

hmm. Well, no actual full-on descriptions of shagging - and of course, where Eliza is concerned, no shagging at all.

She does describe Elizabth I's death very well. Did you know that she refused to lie down, and actually died standing up?

Did they forget to write any female characters? Apart from Catharine of Aragon who would be hard to ignore I thought they might as well have cast blow-up dolls for the rest of the female parts, as Interchangable F*ckbot seemed to be the basic character they were all asked to play.

policywonk - I didn't know that about Elizabeth. I'll have a look for that Alison Plowden series; thanks.

For those interested, here's more information on how they merge the characters of Mary and Margaret

She's based mainly on Mary, but they didn't want to confuse the audience by having two characters with the same name. Presumably that's why they also captioned the scene i Paris as 'Paris, France'

Squeaky, it's funny you should mention the scope for dramatising the lives of the Plantagenets...older Mners may remember this 1978 BBC TV drama - it was absolutely enthralling, pretty historically accurate IIRC, and had a terrific cast.
Clearly not available on DVD, it took me a while to find any mention of it online at all!

Have just watched this.

Yup. Pile of shite. Sooooo disappointing.

They merged his sisters?????? I can understand merging other people, maybe, courtiers or whatever but not his sisters.

How can they do that? You can't do that! The two sisters are actually key to historical events in later times ...
For example, Margaret being the grandmother of Mary Queen of Scots who happened to be the mother of a king of England (James I)

Is this program American? [suspicious]

How old's your brother SqueakyBroomstickBrushes?

ghosty, it has a lot of overseas funding = probably American

Swapping Sam Neil and Jeremy Northam's parts might have helped too - JN just doesn't seem 'good' enough to be Thomas More, and he does slimey brilliantly.

dreadful! too many historical inaccuracies to mention! they always make c of a much older and very dark and "spanish" looking - but actually she was fair haired! aargh! pants! obv filmed in ireland with many an unsuppressed accent!

Didn't you realise that Henry VIII came from that famous line of Irish Tudors then? (not to be confused with the Welsh side of the family who never amounted to anything )