Complaints about Claire Verity's methods being shown on Channel 4

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Can I ask what are the nature of the complaints that people are making?

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Thing is, complaints need to be not about personal opinion and actually about whether the organisation has breached some guideline/regulation.

Personal opinion re. abuse probably needs to be directed at the NSPCC for them to take action.

General letters of anger will just add to Channel 4's publicity. We need to be more specific.

e.g. are they in breach of something by not including a warning that CV's advice is against FSID's advice?

the phrase I have in mind is:

Claire Verity's methods can do permanent damage to the brain development of babies, causing emotional and behavioural issues in children and adults. To use the actual, painful distress of a new born baby as entertainment is not only irresponsible and distasteful, it is downright immoral.

I am going to draw a veil over the fact I didn't actually watch the programme

I only commented that it may be unwise to only show this 'experts' advice, and not mention official government advice regarding sleeping arrangements and feeding. I think it's going to be interesting to see the 3 methods as time goes on, but i do think it's important to say how they compare to the kind of advice the government / midwives / HV's would be giving.

yes, you're right MP

god this doesn't fit very well any more.

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Good point Pregnantgirl

yes it needs some careful consideration

I will check out Ofcom's guidelines later if I get a chance and see if it is in breach of anything obvious

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I linked this to the other thread. It has results of the deprivation of land contact that these methods can cause , tho they are more extreme than CV's it's a slippery slope.
There is a link at the bottom to the Rights of Children, as they are human beings too and have to be recognised as having rights just like any adult.

I am not saying that CV is breaching human rights of the babies but if not providing proper nurturing of child, and proper nourishment of child is indeed a breach of these rights then perhaps it is not a huge stretch of the imagination.???

Read a review in the Guardian this morning and it didn't single out CV at all - made them ALL sounds mad

V. worrying that people won't realise it is VERY bad

oooh I'd love to complain
but can't now am Expat (and didn't see the programme either)

presumably one can complain that it goes against FSID advice

problem is nothing is 'proven' .. it is all 'current thinking' and 'recent research' .. I would say the Production Company's Lawyers went through it with a fine-tooth comb and there is nothing illegal about anything

Most of Britain followed the CV style routine for decades

It might be wrong to you .. but it isn't illegal

Why is a programme that shows experiments being carried out on new born babies (who are clearly distressed) allowed to be shown?

I wonder what would happen if I went to C4 and said I had a great idea for a programme that involved subjecting new born animals to experiments which lead to obvious suffering and quite clearly caused them distress...?

Mrs JC, so does Gina F's advice though i.e. go against FSID guidance.

The FSID guidance/research is pretty clear though. if you have the baby in the room with you then the baby is less likely to die of SIDS.

it is guidance, it isn't law

I complained that it went against current guidance about SIDS, neglect and breastfeeding.

"Most of Britain followed the CV style routine for decades"
I genuinely believe that is a total myth.
only a very tinyt proportion of people actually read books, follow gurus or even pay attention to what doctors tell them about babies. especially if that advice is leave your baby to cry for hours at a time,
most ordinary people just do what their instincts tell them

The recommended weekly alcohol limits are guidance and not law. Would C4 be allowed to broadcast a programme advising us all to drink over the limits and telling us it's good for us? I doubt it.

guidance based on research to stop babies dying.

I'm just saying that it is extremely easy to get up in arms and believe that everyone can just see the exact sense in what you're saying because it feels so wrong and current guidance says parts of it are wrong

I think the majority of the population, who do not at this present time have a young child and so are further away from this issue, will just think it is a storm in a teacup

If you want to make a worthwhile complaint you need to couch it in as much research and current guidance as possible but it doesn't make it illegal

my parent's generation were taught to formula feed because it was 'better', children were wheeled to the bottom of the garden for at least an hour a day and left there .. at least in my Parent's experience

oh and I didn't even watch it because I wasn't that interested .. which is weird because I'm sure a year ago I'd have been rigidly glued to the screen.. but how the world turns eh?

there may be nothing criminal about it though I am not sure about accesory offences? aiding/abetting or something.
but I would say there might be a case in civil law, negligence, professional advice. though presumably the parents were told this routine can damage your baby's brain and development and make it more likely to die honestly, I have little sympathy for the family involved, tbh. imagine the disclaimers they had to sign.....