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lotusbell · 22/06/2020 22:31

Anyone remember the original and will you be watching the new one? I studied it at A Level and still have my copy with all my notes in.

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EssexGurl · 24/06/2020 09:34

I was ambivalent about these and why bother to remake them. I love Imelda Staunton but she sounded just like Patricia Routledge. So I thought that one whilst good was a bit pointless.

The Sarah Lancashire one, just horrid. She is an amazing actress and a I could listen to her reading the telephone directory. But that play, horrible.

With all these fabulous actors sat at home why not channel their talents to new programmes and new writers? The David tennant / Michael Sheen one was amazing and knocked the socks off this.

The80sweregreat · 24/06/2020 09:41

You either like this type of uncomfortable writing or you don't I suppose, it pulls you in all directions , not always good.
Some women are abusers : it's much more rare than men but it happens as does incest.
It's not something you often here about as it's all hidden away and kept as a big secret.
I got the impression she wasn't entirely truthful with the vicar either. With her friend it was all seen as a bit of a joke as she just didn't get what she was really getting at. She didn't love her son in the more normal sense of the word. It was horrible.
I hope the others a bit less controversial but then I can't remember the originals that well.
Sounds like they won't be though.

southeastdweller · 24/06/2020 10:15

Yes 80s, I thought it was pretty clear with the friend that the friend thought it was a bit of a joke, but Gwen takes it seriously, perhaps trying to justify her feelings.

I think the vicar's wife was shocked and Gwen didn't tell her everything anyway about her son. I don't know what I'd say to an acquaintance of mine who told me she was in love with a member of her family.

Comefromaway · 24/06/2020 10:18

It the vicar, not the vicar’s wife.

She’d have had safeguarding training and would fade had to flag it up.

southeastdweller · 24/06/2020 10:25

Yes, sorry!

southeastdweller · 24/06/2020 10:27

But what is there to safeguard? She didn't tell the vicar she had any sexual feelings for her son.

lotusbell · 24/06/2020 11:15

One of my favourite things I studied in my youth, going to go back and watch the originals at some point.

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Clawdy · 24/06/2020 12:09

Pretty sure she did tell the vicar about her feelings for her son. And the vicar told her to tell him. Very unlikely.

southeastdweller · 24/06/2020 12:20

She told her she was in love with him, not the sexual side.

5foot5 · 24/06/2020 12:21

It was horrible, and made me wonder if Alan Bennett actually knows any mothers of teenage boys. Possibly not! The way her friend Louisa said about her own son: "Oh, I fancy him like mad," - this is not how mothers of sons talk

Minor point but wasn't the daughter called Maureen? I don't think anyone can have been christened that in the last 50 years. Just another little point where it felt AB was not quite on it.

I didn't care much for it either but I guess it was very well acted. Very Brave.

5foot5 · 24/06/2020 12:23

@Wingedharpy
Glad they don't seem to be remaking, "A creamcracker under the settee" as, IMHO, the original would be impossible to beat.

This was my favourite from the originals. I heard that the reason they were not remaking it was because they would have to use an older actress and it wasn't felt safe to ask someone of advanced years to come out of isolation

Devlesko · 24/06/2020 12:27

Bloody Hell, that Sarah Lancashire episode was dark.
Fantastic actress and wonderful writing.

Escapinginthecar · 24/06/2020 12:34

Rochenda Sandall The Outside Dog episode
7
Crikey she's good.
(I was slightly distracted by her being the Slater's house from EastendersGrin)

The80sweregreat · 24/06/2020 12:56

Josie Cromer is fab. Julie Walters is a hard act to follow but she nails it.
She is so beautiful too.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/06/2020 13:20

I watched A Lady of Letters last night, and I thought it was fabulous. I haven't watched the Sarah Lancashire one yet - and it does sound as if it is going to be challenging, to say the least - but I think she is an amazing actress, so I will watch it.

Are the originals available to watch anywhere? I have seen some of them, but it was ages ago, and I'd love to see them again.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 24/06/2020 13:22

Actually - ignore that last question - I've checked, and they seem to be on Youtube, so that's my afternoon's entertainment sorted!

NecklessMumster · 24/06/2020 13:38

Yes, teenager named Maureen seemed a bit 1950s

Wingedharpy · 24/06/2020 14:07

@5foot5 : Thanks. I didn't know that, though, anyone taking on that part after Dame Thora would have their work cut out.

With the Sarah Lancashire one, I did wonder if the fact she arrived at the vicarage, while the Vicar was making jam was a factor?
It did sound as if the Vicar was distracted by her jam making so she possibly didn't pick up on the sort of "love" for her son that SL was meaning.

SL also appeared to have a close, warm, possibly unusual relationship with the son and she clearly gained a lot of emotional support from him.He commented on her weight loss, new hairdo, lipstick, spoke to her about the menopause etc - not the usual conversation topics for a 15 year old boy!

Her husband, whose name we don't know because she never mentioned him by name all the way through(she just referred to him as "Dad"), seemed to be on the periphery of family life - and maybe that was the problem.The sort of support and affection that she should have been getting from her husband, she found in her son.
We know she'd lost her job (library closed) and that she missed it.

Was she, like Imelda Staunton's character, a lonely woman driven to the point of madness? - though she does indicate at the end that pills or no pills, therapy or no therapy, she still "loves" him.

Fascinating stuff.

Clawdy · 24/06/2020 14:31

Alan Bennett is brilliant at portraying lonely, troubled, quirky people, especially women, but not so good at showing family life with teenagers or children. From the odd name of the daughter to the mother-son relationship, none of it rang true with me, and just didn't work. It was almost unwatchable, I'm surprised Sarah L wanted to do it.

Pralinelatte · 24/06/2020 14:43

I found the Sarah Lancashire monologue really disturbing. The reversal of an Oedipus complex storyline; I think it's called the Jocasta complex.

southeastdweller · 24/06/2020 15:03

I thought the writing in the SL one was superb and so did she - www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/talkingheads/sarah

IAintentDead · 24/06/2020 15:05

I had a friend about 10 years older than me who's son was 13 when mine were little. She once said that if he was struggling with girls when he was a bit older she would 'show him what to do' sexually. I found it odd but didn't worry about it as he was an idolised brat who would never have admitted any difficulty anyway. (This was 40 years ago).

What I am finding fascinating is that the dialogue seems so current, if I hadn't known they were so old I wouldn't have guessed.

And the letter writer reminded me of some during the Covid situation. Complaining about what others are doing without knowing the real or full story. Appointing themselves Lockdown police.

Escapinginthecar · 24/06/2020 15:13

And Lesley Manville's in Phil Mitchell's kitchen!!
Good to double up on available sets but I'm constantly looking to see how they've changed the decorSmile

The80sweregreat · 24/06/2020 15:24

A chip in the sugar.
My goodness me but these monologues are bleak and so sad ;
Mental health , child abuse, incest , murder , manipulation of women.
I like them all , but they are not an easy watch.

Clawdy · 24/06/2020 15:26

IAintentDead the Sarah Lancashire one is new, that's why the dialogue seems present-day. The Lady Of Letters one is from the older series, though.