I give you clear warning, this place is goiing to go NUTS when Channel Four airs Bringing Up Baby on the 25th Sept... Claire Verity!!!

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seriously. i'm watching it now for work and it is terribly upsetting. Claire Verity says 'i'm a bitch, i'm mean to them but it works', no touching, no eye contact, lots of talking about 'baby', presumably because she can't be arsed remembering the name... oh it's AWFUL.

and even Truby King's own foundation has moved with the times www.plunket.org.nz/AM/Template.cfm?Section=MR71 by advocating breast feeding - unlike that imbecile CV who is still promoting its methods as they were in the 1920's and 30's! Why?!!! Would you want your child to be bought up like this now?

Im parenting method was total opposite to cv, it basically followed my instinct, Bf on demand lots of cuddles and attention in day and less attention at night feeds ie spoke quietly kept lights down, would never of considered leaving child in garden or leaving to cry for longer than 5 mins. However my son slept 7 till 7 from two weeks old. U dont need strict abusive rountines to great results

kerrymum - that's one of the points I complained about

It's not just CV we have to fear. DD1 was born 6 yrs ago, MW was constantly on my case to only feed every 4 hours, and leave her in her cot between feeds. God help her Dad when he came to visit and picked her up. I was in hospital for 6 days 'cos DD1 was not putting on weight (partly due to MW trying to shove breast in babies mouth), and actually convinced me (1st time mum) that baby needed ff. DD1 never recovered from that and never established BB. DD2 was born 2 yrs ago, and because I was 2nd time mum, we were left completely alone. She BF immediately and I fed when she needed and we cuddled her when she and we wanted. Had a much easier time of it. Maybe it's th MWs who also need re-educating

I think if everyone who has expressed their disgust on here complains as per the links then perhaps it will.

fgs nobiggy......get real

Very articulately put hunkermunker. wish I could be so eloquent. the prog ahs made me drink too much wine.

Abusive practices being broadcast for entertainment and even more disturbingly education purposes for new parents, this is worrying.

the cows followed their instincts cos THEY ARE COWS. I don't think they had routine feeds tho!

As humans we msut respond to and nurture our instincts. the crying of a newborn makes mums, and dads anxious and our urge is to hold and comfort. To deny that instinct is to be inherently inhumane.

orangehead I also reckon you just plain luuucckkkyy! so much is down to who your babes are, mine aren't fab sleepers but that's not all they are, y'know fuck it I'd rather have them be the little bright sparks they are then force them kicking and screaming to give up the fight and sleep cos they know there never anyone gonna come...

hm - how sad for people to think that. "I wish I;d known it was alright..." how utterly sad and awful - and, I fear, a symptom not just of this particular kind of regime but of the whole idea "regimes". such women doing not what they felt was right but actively ignoring their instincts thanks to the perceived need to do it by the book. how completely sad.

I'm completely real.

How can you keep your children under control if you don't know them?

Why should your children respect what you say if they don't like you?

There comes a point, quite early on, where "because I say so" doesn't cut it.

dear lord it was like watching bambis mother get shot for the first time watching that looper with the baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dh was getting riled beyond belief! He wanted to punch the telly!

I was shouting obscenities at it.

I felt also that it was simply child abuse. Leaving a baby a day old to cry?
Slinging the window open at bedtime?
Leaving the baby outside for 3 hours at a time with prolific scavengers and shutting the door?
Not cuddling the baby at all?
Holding the baby as far away as poss while feeding?

It was just sick if you ask me.

The thing that really pisses me right the fuck off is when people say things like 'The baby is trying to play you, it wants you to pick it up'
Of course it f'ing does. Just yesterday it was INSIDE YOUR BELLY!!

Makes me so angry! I wanted to go to their house and pick that baby up!

Will this not damage that baby? She should be bonding with her parents!

they will not cancel the tv show

noone will be charged with accounts of abuse

the programme makers will be over the moon that the tv programme has already generated 800+ posts on sites like these

there will be more discussion in mainstream press over the next week

and next weeks show will get higher ratings

Will this not damage that baby?
yes, imo.

I was absolutely disgusted and horrified.
My heart weeps for that little baby.
Since becoming a mother, my mothering instincts show towards total strangers' babies! How you can shun your instincts baffles me. I can only assume the mother of the baby is still mad on hormones and when they right themselves she will see what is right, like the father appears to be doing, slowly.

seriously though, tyaca... so what? what's your actual point?

oh . my. goodness.

boy am i glad i missed this.

can she not be prosecuted for child abuse? if its illegal to incite hatred, illegal to incite violence, then surely it illegal to incite child abuse? denying human contact, communication and interraction IS child abuse.

Tyaca, by not posting about it, by not condemning it, I would feel as if I was condoning her, albeit silently. I think many on this thread would agree with that.

I object to someone trying to silence this thread by posting "you're giving them what they want, you naive twits" (not in so many words).

Agree Hunker. I felt compelled/a duty to air my utter disgust at what I saw.
I am suprised I managed to hold back this long tbh.

Well, I'm glad i missed it and will NOT be watching it next week, either!

H I think you may have been right
I have exercised my informed choice not to watch or record this programme, I just don't think my nerves could stand it. this really is a new low for our culture, isn't it?