Quiz - ITV

[southeastdweller]

It's a three part drama about the Who Wants to be a Millionaire coughing scandal in 2001.

www.radiotimes.com/news/2020-04-08/quiz-itv-drama-air-date-cast-trailer/

Anyone else planning on watching it?

X-posted with you there, although that doesn't explain the pager use before the show (before they realised the pagers wouldn't work on set?).

His dog being killed is horrendous.

I’ll never understand why people get so worked up about stories that don’t effect them. On another TV forum there are posters practically frothing at the mouth anytime someone opines they might not be guilty.

I had to laugh as well. When that fella said that he said to to that Tecwin is his name.
“Don’t you dare”. What was he gonna do. The big hard case. Knock him out.

According to the army rumour service, Ingram wasn’t that highly regarded in the army and seen as a bit of a baffoon - he was portrayed as a bit of a Tim move but dim on the programme.
Who knew that there were actual quiz groups who tried to infiltrate quiz shows? Mainly middle class type people , who loved quizzes who went on as many quizzes as possible for financial gain. Almost like a cult..they helped people get on WWTBAM.
I remember reading somewhere about a lady who appeared on many tv quizzes as a hobby, this included 15-1, Countdown and Blockbusters. Not massive prize winning shows however !

I don't think they portrayed Charles' real character well in this drama.
In clips of him in different interviews and tv appearances he appears to be confident and quite smug and cocky.
In this drama he was shown to be meek, quiet and pushed in to the whole thing.
It was clearly spun for the audience to sympathise with him and feel he's not guilty.
I always believed he was and still do think that.

The last episode did raise doubts but the jury who heard all the evidence and also got a chance to see nice, harmless Major and his anxious wife still gave a clear guilty verdict.
And Tecwin - why did the wife phone him? And the wife said her brother was outside phoning their Dad, did no one trace those calls? By all rights the brother shouldn't have even got a seat that night.
And the three of them ALL getting onto the competition - what are the odds of that?

Intelligence and general knowledge don't always go together - it depends how you've applied your intelligence. Mensa doesn't test general knowledge. Nor does intelligence go hand in hand with common sense or being good at your job. What I'm saying is that Ingram's Mensa membership wouldn't make it a given that he was good at quizzes.

Haven’t seen the last night episode yet, watching it later. Did they connect Tecwin with the Ingrams? Surely phone records would prove they were in contact?

Being good at quizzes isn’t the same as being clever. Someone might know the capital city of Mongolia but have no idea where it actually is.

Jedi Yes, they did - the calls were justified as one enthusiast phoning another about a shared hobby (i.e. quizzing).

Someone might know the capital city of Mongolia but have no idea where it actually is.

Knowing Mongolia's capital and where Mongolia is are both examples of knowledge, not intelligence.

There is a correlation because, generally, intelligent people have better memories so are more likely to remember information even if they've only come across it casually. However, you could have an IQ of 180 and not know where Mongolia is, if you'd never come across that information.

Professor Morice was able to show that the 19 "significant" coughs relied on by the prosecution were made by at least two people, not one.

I thought the case was already that both Diana and Tecwen had used coughing to help him - do you mean a third person?

On the drama, they asked Diana what she talked about with Tecwen and she basically dodged the question.

What I'm saying is that Ingram's Mensa membership wouldn't make it a given that he was good at quizzes.
Agreed - Mensa doesn't test general knowledge. You need some knowledge to use deductive reasoning or whatever in a multiple-choice quiz.

The distinction between knowledge and intelligence is such an important one to make. My ex was highly intelligent. He is now an astrophysicist. And yet he once asked me what country the Great Wall Of China was in, as he believed it was Japan. He looked at me bewildered when I told him the plural of house is houses and not "hice" as he believed. He was so ditsy, yet so intelligent. There's a big difference.

Besides, nobody at Mensa cares if you know who Craig David is.

DoTheNextRightThing That reminds me of Sherlock Holmes telling Watson he had no idea that the earth revolved around the sun because the fact was of no use or interest to him.

Knowledge is knowing the capital of Mongolia
Intelligence is understanding why the capital is there - when you are given facts about the capital and the location.

Application of facts. Mastermind would just be a lot less interesting if the contestants had to explain and discuss things with reference to other knowledge.

And of course, there are plenty of other ways of being intelligent.

Like knowing when to stop if you are cheating a game show.

What is your take on the pager calls

I don't really have a take on that beyond the fact that it seems clear they didn't use pagers to cheat when the show was being filmed.

I thought the case was already that both Diana and Tecwen had used coughing to help him - do you mean a third person

I mean that the 19 coughs the prosecution attributed to Whittock were actually made by two different people.

And, in response to multiple posters, yes, there is a difference between intelligence and general knowledge. The point I was making is that it is clear from comments made at the time by Celador personnel that they considered Ingram to be unintelligent, which was clearly not true.

I thought there was a possibility Ingram might have had the pagers strapped to himself on day one of filming, but abandoned them in favour of coughing for day two, as they'd discovered phone signals were blocked.

I've had to google Craig David; I thought he was an actor who had been in Corrie and also in a Sci-Fi thing, Red Dwarf?

There is just too much coincidence for them to be not guilty.

@eddiemairswife that’s Craig Charles

That's Craig Charles. His character in Red Dwarf is Dave Lister which is where you might be getting David from.

I have no idea about Craig David either, other than that I deduced he was a singer from the quiz question (and like Sherlock Holmes and the earth, the fact is of no use of interest to me so I'll do my best to forget it )

I enjoyed the episodes, brought me right back to my childhood. Shocked that evidence for a court case was handled in such a fashion. Interested to know what the prosecution actually argued to make the trio guilty beyond reasonable doubt - obviously recognising this is a do udrama, but if what we saw was the sum total, how could anyone believe 10% of all coughs were part of an elaborate plan to cheat planned in 8 minutes?

I thought there was a possibility Ingram might have had the pagers strapped to himself on day one of filming

Celador searched him and found nothing. So there is no evidence that pagers were used. I agree that the phone records of calls to four pagers don't help the Ingrams. Even if Diana's explanation is correct, it was something the prosecution could use to make them look bad.

There is just too much coincidence for them to be not guilty

I'm not sure what coincidences you see that make them guilty but I disagree. If we accept the scientific evidence that the coughs the prosecution claimed came from Whittock actually came from at least two separate people they are not guilty.

Playing devil's advocate:

10% of coughs - it depends when they fell. If only the coughs made when Ingram is reading out the answers count, that could whittle down the total of relevant coughs to be considered. Also Ingram would have an idea of where on the set they were coming from even if he didn't recognise his wife's and Whittock's specific coughs.

Planned in 8 minutes - does it take 8 minutes to arrange 'if you say you're not sure, read out the answers and either Tecwin or I will cough when you read out the correct one'. It's ingenious but it isn't complex.

The biggest argument against their guilt is that Whittock's track record wouldn't put him as the first person you'd pick as a helper. Three heads are better than one, but Whittock doesn't seem to have been in the Egghead league.

Celador searched him and found nothing

I doubt they searched him on Day 1 when he was leaving having exhausted two lifelines in six questions (or whatever it was) - they were expecting him to crash out quickly and unremarkably after that. Day 1 would have proved the pagers were futile, so obviously he wouldn't bother with them on Day 2.