Jack Monroe and Matt Tebbutt BBC Kitchen Live

[CobyKnobe]

Starts on monday, I don't want to say anything about Jacks personality and get the thread deleted but I'm going to be interested to see how it goes. Jamie's show has been great even now he's just filming on his phone and I've picked up lots of tips - like the roasting of veg then blending to make a pasta sauce. After all of Jacks deleted tweets she's set the bar very high for herself and I'm hoping she does smash it

Genuine tip tip - you can use tinned chickpea water to make meringues if you have no eggs

Fuck off Jack - don't be claiming that as your own tip at some point this week.

The show gets stranger by the day. I'm not sure who it's is aimed at, Jack seems to think that anyone that spends more than about 26p per ingredient is really "fancy", in fact that's her go to comment, "oooh fancy", along with "you could bung some spices and bits and pieces in" whenever she's asked what she'd do with the recipe. Yeah but which spices, what bits and pieces.

There's no flow to it. I kind of knew, but it was never glaringly obvious, that TV chefs read an autocue, but her stopping/starting/rabbit in the headlights makes it clear that they do. If the autocue went down Matt would be able to carry on regardless but she's already down that she wouldn't/can't. He's trying his best but it's like he's dragging her along.

Do not eat your lovely hummus with tinned carrots whatever you do. By the time you put the ‘good’ juice in your dip for health reasons, you’ll need to eat it through a sock

@wotnopasta

for hummus - you can use peanut butter instead of tahini, I've been doing this for years, and was proud to be vindicated when Jamie Oliver said it was ok. Although maybe I should sue him for stealing my recipe?

I think JM looks a lot better now she has stopped channelling the frumpy 1980s housewife look.

I thought this show was good today, very sort of natural and like real life, not all showy and staged. I quite like seeing famous people just as they are.
And the recipes looked great.

Yes JM is distractingly vague with her “tips”. She’s the same on Twitter - someone will come along with a couple of random ingredients, and she’ll say “bung it in a curry/make a dhal/soup”, and she will call that a “recipe”. Yes but HOW would you make the curry/dhal/soup??
One thing that I think is striking about this lockdown is that people are cooking from scratch a lot more they would have before (which is a good thing), and so they are looking to master the basics as well as try new things. Therefore, tips about ingredients, cooking times etc. are what is needed. For example, building a collection of basic herbs and spices; what meat/veg are the best buy and will go further?
Even the recipes which she does provide look terrible. That lasagne from yesterday being a case in point. That white sauce was so runny it went straight to the bottom of the cooking dish, leaving the thing all dried out and looking like cardboard. And the answer to the question of what to do if you don’t have lasagne sheets was to use another type of pasta - but this wouldn’t give you the layers you need in lasagne, why not say use aubergine/leeks/wraps instead (all of which work)?
The whole thing’s a bit of a mess. Matt’s doing his best, but his irritation is showing.

I do have PB! So that’s a genuine lockdown/store cupboard tip!
More than I have gotten from that programme.

Is the tinned chickpea water the same as aquafaba? Vegans use it in place of egg?

@BobbinThreadbare123 yes that's exactly it, it'll keep for about a week in the fridge if you don't want to use it straight away.

This show is just so strange. And it shows that JM lacks cookery knowledge. I never really thought about that, but it becomes quite clear on live TV. When you write, you can research and look things up. When put on the spot, I guess you can simply say 'spices' and 'bits and pieces', but that's not really helpful advice for anyone.

The whole polenta bit, too, dismissing it as 'fancy'. Polenta is so, so cheap. It would have been helpful to point out that maize meal and cornmeal are the same and they come in different grinds, coarse and fine. Tell us which is suitable for which dish! Tell us that you can pick maize meal up incredibly cheaply in many Indian shops and polenta/maize/cornmeal are very versatile, but don't work in all recipes. Info like this would be helpful, especially since most of us can't get hold of flour.

Blending tinned carrots with milk and making overnight oats makes no sense. Use the tinned carrots in soup or as a side dish and make overnight oats with tinned/fresh/frozen fruit or even just some cinnamon and nuts.

I’m guessing coy aunt sally crumbs muttering is an alter ego. Sal is a million miles away from the twotter gobshite.

Today was described as cracking good fun.

If you find painful fun to watch then yup. cracking good fun.

I cannot understand why people keep criticising this show. I don't care if people don't like the show......don't watch it! Don't worry, its only on for another 3 days and JM will not be given another TV cookery show! A live one hour cookery show is probably one of the hardest programmes to present. The BBC should have given JM more training.

I used to love Jamie Oliver, but I am sooooooooooo bored with his programmes and GUESS WHAT I do not watch him when he is on. I groan about him presenting yet another JO cookery programme. He has done hundreds. I used to watch and buy all his cookery books.
The Same with the the Nigels and Nadias and Nigellas of this world. Do people not realise it took them years to perfect their style of TV cooking and they NEVER had to present a one hour LIVE show. Everything was alway pre-recorded, scripted and they had hundreds of people in the background helping. The most they have done live is to present one recipe on a slot on some other tv programme.

Every time I see JM I think of people who use food banks or have to buy the cheapest food possible to feed their families. This of course may mean using lots of tinned food. The type of cooking she normally does is not aimed at people who are only having to buy tinned stuff for the first time because we are in lockdown.

I’ve not been able to get many tins though so tin cooking is no use to me. I have been hugely fortunate in that the locusts who strip the shelves while I do a very long day (like many others) tend to leave fresh fruit and vegetables.

After all of the fuss that was made about JO getting her gig, you’d have thought she would have had the chops to smash it. She hasn’t to me.

It matters not that it is live. Matt is the presenter. He is doing most of it in my very humble opinion.

The others you mention are personable. I’m not feeling it from her but I watch in case I’m proved wrong. Which isn’t yet.

I think we are all allowed an opinion as well. And an opportunity to post it.

I'm bored at home. I never watch daytime TV. I have a bit of a random assortment of food right now, due to not going to shops unnecessarily. While there's still good in my kitchen, I try not to go out. Jamie's programme has been pretty helpful in that regard. I was genuinely hoping this would be too, but it just isn't. Given that I pay a license fee I think I'm entitled to voice my opinion. I used to quite like JM, but she has come out looking pretty bad, as have the BBC for this poorly cobbled together programme.

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@Crismelissarose

Sorry what? The BBC should have given Jack more training ...

Wtf are you on about? She got the job after a Twitter rant about Jamie Oliver. Her minions went mad and the BBC pathetically offered her a job.
They offered it despite her having no experience.

Sorry but can I just have a go at presenting and get paid the fee she did?

If she is that crap then she brought it on herself by being stupid enough to believe she was any kind of comparison to Jamie Oliver who at least offers alternatives to pasta ...rather than just "erm a different pasta shape". Yes that would make it a Bolognese and not a lasagne Jack...what about leeks unrolled, potato layers or wraps as layers? She can't even think on her feet.

No she won't get another chance because she is NOT a TV presenter and it showed.

In a way I am glad she got the chance after her pathetic Twitter tantrum about "that man". It showed how truly dreadful she would have been. Channel 4 must be breathing a sigh of relief.

Just watched the tinned carrots bit. It looked like it was mixed with yesterday’s lasagne sauce. Otherwise known as milk?

I made chicken supreme lasagne with leek, courgette and spinach layers. The family wolfed it. None of yer other pasta shapes were necessary.

Granted it wasn’t terribly firm but it did the job.

Just watched the tinned carrots bit. It looked like it was mixed with yesterday’s lasagne sauce. Otherwise known as milk?

Properly gawffawed at that

I personally felt a bit sick.

I assumed JM was employed. by the production company, not the BBC, and I'm not really convinced by the 'it was the Twitter army that got her the gig ' narrative. She really isn't that influential.

I would guess her name was in the running for the Daily Kitchen Show
well before the flying monkeys fell on JO, if only because she was cheaper than a 'real' chef.

Hello billie

Tis me. Sheldon.

I couldn’t get over the sauce that ‘was going to thicken’

Aye. When it was old enough to be cheese.

but in truth she spent 18 months on benefits after quitting her job some years ago

She was actually a call handler for the Fire service and resigned after becoming a parent as they would not consider reasonable adjustments around her being able to work around her childcare. Seems more than reasonable to me, and something lots of single parents have ended up having to do.

@AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff, Sheldon, that is SO funny. I really wondered if it was you!

Didn't want to ask for fear of sounding like a stalker!!! xxx

I'm not really convinced by the 'it was the Twitter army that got her the gig ' narrative. She really isn't that influential.

With the best will in the world, it wasn't an amazing screen test.

The 'Jack should have a cookery show' stuff was trending for 2 weeks or so because she kept praising and encouraging followers who were complaining about it. A few celebrities joined in.

I can't see her doing that if she was having talks about this show. I think, given the rushed way the show was put together, it's very likely the twitter stuff was a factor.

She has not long left. JO doesn't need to feel threatened by her corned beef chili [sick]

Honestly, reading this thread makes me feel quite nauseous, and it’s not just the idea she got a job from the BBC to put egg on the face of C4.

You can “smell” some of her creations coming from the TV. If I wasn’t sub 12 months post partum I’d swear I was pregnant again such is the intensity with which I can “smell” her disgusting creations from the telly

[voms into a bucket]