Jamie keep cooking and carry on

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Cheers Jamie. And Jools. (And the crew the first week)

I am currently living with 3 adult family members. Fussy ones. I’m a fairly experimental cook anyway but with locust shopping going on near me still, your programmes have given me inspiration to help me cater for them.

Thank you

I’m no fan of Jamie but have watched a couple of the programmes and thought they were good. I’m going to make my own wraps for quesadillas this week as I can’t get wraps anywhere!

I dislike Jack Monroe these days, I bought her first book and thought she was great for a bit but has a nasty streak, is unprofessional on social media(although she is now behaving because she is working with the BBC) and seems to think she invented budget cooking.

That man? Rude. Life isn’t all about ticks and followers.

I will watch JO and then hopefully the beeb will show Nigelaaaar stuffing chickpeas with caviar and doing unmentionable things with a tin of tomatoes and 5lb of saffron. (Just jealous of her larder)

My mum and nan were queens of budget cooking. As are many women. My Nan is long gone and mum can’t remember. But she is liking JO’s offerings and that’ll do me.

It's terribly sexist to say that a man knows nothing about budget cookery. Also, didn't Jack declare herself gender neutral so she wouldn't fit that criteria either? His programme isn't about budget cookery; it's about cooking when your ingredients are limited. Not everyone is struggling financially at the moment. We are fortunate enough to be able to work at home, but are finding that it is difficult to get some ingredients and we obviously don't have the flexibility to just keep popping to the shops any more. Jamie works for us.

Love it - think his approach makes me think more creatively about what I have to hand. He's also a much more experienced presenter than JM so is easy to watch.

He's never claimed this show to be about budget cookery has he?

I like it.

Can't abide JM.

I've only seen one episode of this series of Jamie's programmes and have made two of the recipes out of things I already had in. I suppose it depends on your store cupboard. I'm also a Jack Monroe fan although I haven't seen her on TV yet I have two of her books which I use frequently.

Im really enjoying it I especially liked the pizza and vegetable chilli recipes. (Not caught up with the rest of the series so far) Going to try both of them this week.

JO was wrong to do this show.

It's bizarre to have him doing it when the clear choice would have been Jack Monroe. It's not about who is 'liked' more but about who has the experience and knowledge to help right now. Monroe has the experience to do exactly this show, Oliver is just taking advantage of the situation.

Would as many people have watched it with JM? Channel 4 wants to make money. JO is far more famous and has a huge following. He is also a trained chef. He is good at offering substitutions. This is a programme about limited ingredients not budget cookery.

I love Jamie Oliver! Though his house and kitchen aren’t anything like what I imagined.

I think he has a home kitchen and a studio kitchen in his home. So I think he uses the studio kitchen for filming.

Stellaris22, how has Jack the "experience and knowledge" that Jamie doesn't? She's not a trained chef, has done very little TV and doesn't come across well. Also during her tantrum about "her niche" she ignored the fact that lots of people like Delia have done budget cooking before, and better. Do you think it's ok that she bullied her way into a show by attacking JO and orchestrating a pile-on when all he did was accept a job?

Have to add, she's been sucking up to Nigella Lawson a lot as Nigella lent her support. Why not go after Nigella, who is lovely but who comes from really enormous wealth and privilege compared to Jamie, and whose start in the media was due to being incredibly well-connected? Why not have a go at Nigella for using expensive ingredients or having a certain persona she trades on? Because she knows who's an easy target, that's why - Nigella is untouchable and attacking her wouldn't go down well, so she goes after the rather annoying guy. She's a total bully.

Indeed.

I meant she has life experience, I don't care if they have TV experience. What has TV experience got to do with cooking with limited ingredients and supplies?

They aren't a trained chef, sure. But right now I would find it more useful to watch someone share their experience of limited ingredients than a chef who is used to lots of expensive ingredients.

I don't use twitter so have no knowledge of 'bullying' or the supposed tantrum. Could we use a less infantile term than tantrum?

I’ve had a 55 year old boss throw a tantrum. Including feet stamping.

Sometimes tantrum is a fitting description.

Not watching it on principle. This is what JM does for a living and has done for years, mostly free of charge. There was no reason to give it to JO over her. He's far more irritating.

*JO was wrong to do this show.

It's bizarre to have him doing it when the clear choice would have been Jack Monroe. It's not about who is 'liked' more but about who has the experience and knowledge to help right now. Monroe has the experience to do exactly this show, Oliver is just taking advantage of the situation*

Wrong ? He is watchable and is actually a very experienced chef and communicator. Monroe is unbearable and unpleasant on the occasions I have seen her and made money out of a very basic and inaccurate book. The only interesting thing she has written is about her alcoholism.

We watch JO every night. Quite interesting what he comes up with. Why is he cooking over a burner in a back scullery? I’ve assumed it’s because his kitchen hob faces a wall and therefore it’s no good for filming in.

They are to have a show on the bbc though.

Are they that special that they must be the only one?

I’ll be sticking to JO.

I think Jack goes by "she" these days

I think the thing with Jack Monroe is she isn't just budget cooking. She's poverty stricken food bank parcel cooking. And whilst hopefully most of the audience aren't in that unfortunate position, she does show how you can creatively use staple ingredients.

I don't have Twitter so I know nothing of "tantrums" but certainly if you said to me "a chef who cooks on larder ingredients" my first thought would be her and not Jamie.

Really? I find him irritating to the point of distraction - its all about him rather than the cooking.

So do I. He's a wanky ponce. Of course he has two kitchens, hell, he has a household staff, too.

TV networks have pre-existing contractual relationships with different people. It’s not like C4 said “oh we need someone to front an isolation cooking show” and had to pick between Jamie and Jack, and chose Jamie over Jack.

Jamie is under contract to them. Jack is under contract to the BBC. They have an entire system set up to contract, film, edit, broadcast and market Jamie’s shows. That’s why they were able to rush this one out so fast. Look how much older footage they’re using, they wouldn’t be able to broadcast without access to that archive. It just wouldn’t be possible to do that with Jack, even if she wasn’t under contract elsewhere.