White House Farm - The Bamber Murders. Jan 8th ITV 9pm

[Dogleg]

Is anyone else planning to watch this six part series? I vaguely remembered the killings and on seeing this advertised have now lost hours to reading up about it online and have also downloaded a book about the case. I’m really looking forward to this one!

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-12-25/itv-drama-white-house-farm/

[Supersimkin2]

No, but the judge did, and he pointed out the above at the trial.

[AlexaAmbidextra]

So how did she manage to shoot herself twice with a gun that was too long for that to be physically possible?

It wasn’t too long. The sound moderator was never on it in the first place. It was a red herring.

[Equanimitas]

The trouble is that there's an awful lot of evidence that the silencer was there, and you still have the problem of her apparently shooting herself twice - to say nothing of countless other problems with the Sheila as murderer theory.

[MrsPelligrinoPetrichor]

Anyone know where I can read up on the facts of the case please, I know the bare bones but that's it?

[Trewser]

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

I really recommend the podcast They Walk Among Us season 3 episode 42/43/44

Brilliant factual explanation

[MrsPelligrinoPetrichor]

Thank you

[ineedaholidaynow]

How do you shoot yourself twice, or was one wound superficial?

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

Yes, the first shot would have been non-fatal.
The pathologist said suicide with two shots does occur and he had come across four or five cases in his career.

[Equanimitas]

How do you shoot yourself twice, or was one wound superficial?

That's the whole point. Of course if the first wound is superficial you could shoot again, but not if both are likely to cause unconsciousness or death. There was no evidence on Sheila's hands, arms or clothes that she had touched a gun, and she was shot upwards through the neck twice.

[AmIthechristmasfairy]

An old boss of mines best friend was JBs girlfriend before Julie Mugford...

What insight does that give us? Does she think he did it

[AmIthechristmasfairy]

That was meant to be a quote from elderflower

[Elderflower14]

@@AmIthechristmasfairy...Did you mean to be so rude?? 🙄 🙄 🙄
I've no idea what she thought. Just remember my boss talking about it as it wasn't long after the murder...

[colouringinpro]

pmk

[AmIthechristmasfairy]

Elderflower, take from my comment what you want

you posted, so I think it's fair to assume that it was relevant and not just a "my aunties, cleaners, sons, next door neighbour once knew them"

So I was asking what the woman to whom you refer thought.

[DuckWillow]

Sheila was found with the gun resting on her. In life she was frail and also under the influence of medication which would make her drowsy. Had she shot herself the gun would have been catapulted away from her.

And she would not have been able physically capable of shooting herself the second s time according to the post mortem findings.

Jeremy is guilty.
He told numerous people he hated his parents. All that "dear old Mum and Dad" stuff he posts on his blog is beyond sickening.

He also told his girlfriend he was going to do something. She didn't believe him and thought it was all talk until they ended up dead. Having said that she was odd too...she initially lied for him. .

[BitOfFun]

You might want to ask MNHQ to edit that, DuckWillow

I think @Elderflower14 is allowed to post about a vague connection to the case, AmITheChristmasFairy, without being grilled on its relevance: this is a chat forum, not The Old Bailey!

[AmIthechristmasfairy]

Well quite bitoffun.

Hardly a grilling. She was asked if the person had an insight. Fair question.

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[BitOfFun]

Of course. It just got unnecessarily snippy.

[WendyMoiraAngelaDarling]

I love Stephen Graham, I do. But his accent is diabolical. I can't take him seriously.

[SchadenfreudePersonified]

How can any woman want a relationship with a man who killed his entire family, including 2 young children?

It's hard to believe, isn't it?

But there is a huge number of murderers/ lifers both in Britain and the US who are practically pursued by women wanting to marry them. God alone knows why . . .

[dottypotter]

why are they dragging this up from years ago. SO many murder programmes on?

[IHaveBrilloHair]

One of my friends at schools Mums married a guy who was in prison for murder.

[Equanimitas]

They're probably "dragging it up" because Bamber keeps trying to appeal, so it could be viewed as having continued relevance.

[EachandEveryone]

Did anyone else idly wonder what would've happened if Harry had married Cressida?😳

[MrsPelligrinoPetrichor]

Yep...