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The Crown - series 3

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southeastdweller · 08/11/2019 22:45

I'm so looking forward to seeing this when it returns next Sunday!

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Butterfly005 · 08/01/2020 10:29

I found it strange she said she finds it so hard to cry but then several times throughout the remaining episodes she seemed to keep welling up at quite minor stuff - especially compared to the Aberfan tragedy! It seems a strange fact to bring to the programme considering how good OC is at crying when she needs to.

However I'm very glad she won a Golden Globe - really enjoyed the latest series and generally I thought she was pretty good.

IcedPurple · 25/01/2020 22:44

I was a bit behind other posters but if anyone is still reading this thread, I just wanted to say that I think Olivia Colman has been badly miscast. She totally lacks the aloofness and inscrutability of Claire Foy. And her accent is terrible.

By contrast, Tobias Menzies is marvellous.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/01/2020 22:48

Everyone is decades too old for their roles though, which is very weird. HBC is in her fifties, she is a beautiful and youthful fifty something, but she doesn’t pass as a woman in her mid thirties.
I also agree that OC is terrible as the Queen, and that this series so far ( i have only just started) is much less believable. Some of the dialogue is ridiculous.

IcedPurple · 25/01/2020 23:07

Menzies is exactly the right age - mid 40s - and while OC really isn't too old for the role, she looks too old. Which is odd because people appeared to age much quicker those days - a 40 year old looked a lot 'older' then than now. And yes, Helena, however beautiful and talented, really looks - and in her 50s - is, way too old for the role. I cringed a bit when she said she was going to check on her kids in the Aberfan episode as she looked way too old to have young children. The actor playing Lord Snowdon is also in his 50s - too old even bearing in mind they're going to play the characters until they reach that age.

I'm hoping the next series will be better - I think part of the problem is that this was a fairly quiet period by royal standards, between the upheaval of the young queen's adjustment to her role and her marriage, and the heady days of Hurricane Diana. The calm before the storm, if you will.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/01/2020 23:26

I found the unconvincing ages very distracting, but it is the dialogue that is bothering me. I am tired and can’t remember the exact phrases now, but there have been several things that have made me roll my eyes. I am finding it rather disappointing compared with previous series. I am due to watch the Aberfan episode, and am slightly dreading them messing it up, as it had a huge impact in my childhood. I have read that they have the Queen pretending to cry ? I absolutely refuse to believe that is the case.

SirVixofVixHall · 25/01/2020 23:28

Olivia Coleman is 45, so quite a bit older than the Queen in 1964. When is this series going up to ? The seventies?

Noodlenosefraggle · 25/01/2020 23:34

I think Charles in his mid 20's At the end of the season. She had him at 22 so OC is the right age thereabouts at the end of the series. I think the issue is no time jump between series 2 and 3 so you had a 32 year old woman replaced by a 45 year old woman but it was meant to be months later.

IcedPurple · 25/01/2020 23:38

I think series 3 ends up somewhere in the mid 1970s, and series 4 will likely cover another 10 years, so by then OC and HBC will be considerably younger than their characters were in RL.

I think a better idea would have been to change the whole cast after the 3rd series. Foy, Smith, Kirby et al could easily have continued until their characters were in their 40s. It's easier to 'age' an actor than to 'youthify' them.

I won't spoil the Aberfan episode for you, but I will just say that the script writers fail to understand the fact that not showing emotion in public as a monarch doesn't neccessarily mean that you don't actually feel emotion. Important distinction I should think.

JustDanceAddict · 26/01/2020 08:53

It goes up to the Silver jubilee in 77.
I thought S3 was the weakest in general but there were some stand out episodes like Aberfan and the Charles and Camilla ones. I felt like saying ‘it’s ok you marry her in the end’.

SirVixofVixHall · 26/01/2020 19:34

Don’t they have the Queen faking a tear in Aberfan though ? We often drove past it as a child, and my mother would always cry at the sight of all the gravestones. I really do not believe that the Queen had to fake tears. Either she would have felt she had to to completely hold it together and focus on the grieving community, or a tear might have escaped in spite of her being focused on the job, because it was such an unbearable scene. I thought presenting her as needing to fake a tear was incredibly offensive, but maybe I have misunderstood ? I am sure that is what I read, but perhaps the actual episode is ok ?

IcedPurple · 27/01/2020 10:44

I thought presenting her as needing to fake a tear was incredibly offensive

I thought so too. The whole idea of the queen as some sort of robot incapable of feeling emotion was very insulting.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/01/2020 18:42

I defy anyone to see the cemetery in Aberfan, even after all this time, with row after row of little white headstones, and not feel a stab to the heart. The Queen arrived so soon after the disaster, she must have been very upset indeed.

soberfabulous · 27/01/2020 18:45

I adore the crown but cannot cannot abide season 3. I've made it to episode four but have really not enjoyed it and gave up a while ago. So disappointing, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one!

mazylou · 31/01/2020 16:47

Imelda Staunton confirmed as the Queen in Series

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jan/31/the-crown-final-season-five-imelda-staunton-the-queen

mazylou · 31/01/2020 16:48

Series 5!

IcedPurple · 31/01/2020 20:40

So they have decided to end The Crown after the 5th series. Interesting. I think the original plan was to go on for at least one more series. I wonder if it's a combination of the huge expense - apparantly it costs a few million per episode - and the fact that the 3rd series has had a rather lacklustre reception?

Smallsteps88 · 17/10/2020 14:00

I’ve been watching the crown on Netflix a d man almost finished season 3.

What a terrible casting choice for margaret in HBC. And camilla.

I’m absolutely loving Phillip and Anne though!

Poor Charles.

IcedPurple · 17/10/2020 15:53

@Smallsteps88

I’ve been watching the crown on Netflix a d man almost finished season 3.

What a terrible casting choice for margaret in HBC. And camilla.

I’m absolutely loving Phillip and Anne though!

Poor Charles.

Thought the actress playing Camilla was OK, though maybe too pretty.

Agree about Helena Bonham Carter as Margaret. She just played herself, as she usually does, with none of the nuance of Vanessa Kirby in the same role. She's also too old, at least in the 3rd series. Tobias Menzies is great as Philip, but Olivia Colman is dreadful as HM. Don't understand how she got an Emmy for this unconvincing performance.

They should have kept the original cast for the 3rd series, and switched over then. They could easily have been 'aged up' with make up and hair styling.

Smallsteps88 · 17/10/2020 16:43

Agree they should have kept the original cast for series 3.

Looking forward to series 4 on the 15th of November.

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