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The Crown - series 3

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southeastdweller · 08/11/2019 22:45

I'm so looking forward to seeing this when it returns next Sunday!

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IcedPurple · 24/11/2019 18:41

It is really sad that these people have lives and passions that they can't pursue unless military or sporting

I'll spare my tears. They also get opportunities way beyond what similarly academically (or otherwise) gifted people would get if they were born on a council estate. Edward getting into Cambridge with very modest A level results being just one example. Plus, they get to lead luxurious lifestyles for 'working' maybe one day a week tops. Not such a bad deal. Gives them more than enough time and opportunity to pursue their 'lives and passions'.

Sophie also had to step away from her chosen career after the Fake Shiekh saga

Sophie freely chose to marry into the royal family however. If pursuing her PR career were a priority, she could have declined or asked Edward to step down from public duties and become a private citizen.

Not to mention

VanyaHargreeves · 24/11/2019 18:45

As I said in an earlier post though, for all the money and privilege they seem to have really unhappy emotional lives

Charles, Di, Fergie, potentially Edward, certainly Margaret, and now Harry and Meghan openly struggling

IcedPurple · 24/11/2019 18:48

Being rich doesn't guarantee happiness, whether that wealth is gained from hard work or, as in the case of the royals, simply being born or getting married.

And I''d argue that most if not all of the individuals you mentioned bear significant personal responsibility for their own problems. They are not victims.

RuffleCrow · 24/11/2019 18:56

We're all constrained by our circumstances to some degree. I would have liked to pursue a career in the arts myself but unfortunately the upbringing i had (npd mother, enabling father) has made me a champion self-saboteur. It's something i'm only just beginning to unpick.

VanyaHargreeves · 24/11/2019 19:04

Solidarity to a fellow self-saboteur Gin

diddl · 24/11/2019 20:20

I did like the chat with Porchie about being a horse breeder instead.

Wonder if the allowance from Uncle David would have covered that??

Would she have had the Duchy of Cornwall as his heir or is that only for the eldest son of the Monarch?

They're certainly dysfunctional, with only Edward of the four having a marriage that's lasted!

GunpowderGelatine · 24/11/2019 22:11

If the Aberfan episode doesn't win an Emmy I'll eat my hat!

LadyIsabellaWrotham · 24/11/2019 22:55

I’m having a teeny problem with the background music for this series. It’s got a slight but unmistakable hint of the chords for The Rains of Castermere from Game of Thrones, which was a resemblance which struck me during the episode where Tywin Lannister was engaging in dastardly plotting with Lord Royce and is now difficult to shake.

SenecaFalls · 24/11/2019 23:48

Would she have had the Duchy of Cornwall as his heir or is that only for the eldest son of the Monarch?

She wouldn't have had the Duchy because the Dukedom of Cornwall could and still today can only be held by the eldest son of the monarch who is heir apparent. Elizabeth was neither even as the King's direct heir.

Now that the succession rules have been changed to allow for a female heir apparent, a separate change would need to be made to allow a woman to be Duchess of Cornwall in her own right.

longwayoff · 25/11/2019 08:39

Maybe true? Maybe not.
Royal Prince to his protection officer. "I'm having a good time at university, Jenkins. Did you go to university?"
'No sir '
"Oh. Why's that?"
'Got the same A level results as you, sir '

AlessandroVasectomi · 25/11/2019 09:03

I’m not as hooked on this as DW is, but I do have a certain fascination with it. However, there were a couple of historic inaccuracies in episode 5 which we watched last night. It was set in 1974 and revolved around the miners’ strike, the three day week and the defeat of the Heath government in consequence. I lived through that dark period (although one good collateral benefit was that I met DW, whom I married in 1976).

In the drama, the miners were led by Arthur Scargill. Wrong! He came later; in this particular miners’ strike they were led by Joe Gormley. I used to see him night after night on the increasingly depressing tv news.

The Queen and Prince Philip we’re preparing for their silver wedding anniversary. Not in 1974 - they were married in 1947, so that had already been and gone.

But these are details. Otherwise I’m becoming drawn in and wondering if the behind the news stories that it reveals are wholly true. You have to feel sorry for the royals if they are.

SpiderCharlotte · 25/11/2019 09:10

I rewatched the episode from Series 1 when Churchill is unwell and they keep it from the Queen. She gives Lord Salisbury and Churchill a real dressing down and it's quite wonderful!

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 25/11/2019 09:39

I'm finding the departure from history distracting too @AlessandroVasectomi. I don't understand why it's necessary to muck about with it. I'm not convinced by the dramatic benefits.

WineOrGinOrBoth · 25/11/2019 09:42

It’s not as if the actual historical events aren’t interesting enough without need for dramatic embellishments.

RuffleCrow · 25/11/2019 09:46

I'm too young to know what's accurate and what's not. When they cover the mid 90s onwards I'll be all over it though.

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 25/11/2019 09:52

Yy iirc some episodes jump across 3 years . It seems an odd decision. It definitely impacts suspension of disbelief when you're running calculations in your head to try to work out which year it's supposed to be.

There's a waspish review in The Times that compares each episode with the reality of what happened. The author pointed out that The Crown has the Duke of Gloucester appearing at events three years after his death Grin

diddl yy I agree that someone thinking they'd be better doesn't mean they would be and that the relative freedom of not being heir allows them to be 'dazzling'. I also imagine the incestuous nature of having to be a member of the Firm but not being allowed the top job means there's always going to be an unhappy younger child, no matter which generation we're in.

Rumboogie · 25/11/2019 11:33

Interesting article by William Shawcross on 'The Crown'.
Here are some excerpts:

"The Crown takes constant liberties with history, as it does with people.....

The Crown’s real nastiness is deployed against Prince Philip, with whom Princess Elizabeth fell in love during the second world war and with whom she has now had 72 years of successful marriage. As Vickers writes, in the early series, ‘Prince Philip [is] portrayed as a fractious, bumptious “Jack the Lad”, very much the villain… little more than a self-centered philanderer’......

Prince Philip is blunt, but he is at core very kind. Remember his supportive letters to Diana. He is also a superb public servant. He was warning about the environment and wildlife decades before those became fashionable causes. He deserves thanks for his constant support for science, and above all for his creation of the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award scheme, which has helped millions of young people around the world.

None of that is of interest to the makers of The Crown.

All this matters not only because The Crown is hurtful but also because, beneath its enticing veneer, much of it is, in modern parlance, fake news. Those falsehoods will be accepted by many millions of people around the world as truths.

Second, because by dwelling on personal weaknesses in lavish settings, it tries to show that the heart of constitutional monarchy is debauched and frivolous and irrelevant to the people. In the new series, Colman portrays the Queen as a cold mother who told Harold Wilson that she was unable to weep at the Aberfan disaster, because ‘I have known for some time there is something wrong with me. Deficient’.

When considering why The Crown is thus, it is worth remembering that Peter Morgan has revealed what drives him. In an interview with the Sunday Times in October 2017, he said that the Queen herself is of ‘limited intelligence’. ‘She’s ninetysomething years old and barely knows what the internet is.’ She and her family are not really humans, they are ‘survival organisms, like a mutating virus’. Moreover, belief in God and the teachings of Jesus Christ, which Morgan knows inspire the Queen’s whole life, is to him ‘deranged’.

The monarchy itself is clearly ‘insane’: ‘[I’m] blessed because the system she is in is so ridiculous and illogical that even just to unpack it from a point of view of reason or logic is such a joy.’

Plus ça change. Back in the 1940s George Orwell famously pointed out that many English intellectuals are too snobbish to understand the value of monarchy to people ‘less gifted’ than themselves. Mr Morgan’s apparently republican contempt for the Queen and her family is just the latest example. That contempt, cleverly concealed in much of the pomp and finery of The Crown, does the people of this country a great disservice.

The Queen is among the greatest monarchs we have ever had. She has given her life to serving this rapidly changing country for almost all of her 93 years. In poll after poll, the vast majority of the British people consistently support the monarchy. They seem to understand their good fortune in not having had revolving-door presidents for the past 70 years but one real Queen, inspired by a lifelong sense of decency, common sense, love of country and Christian duty.

The Queen, and indeed the British public, deserve better than The Crown."

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 25/11/2019 12:17

I agree with WS.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 25/11/2019 12:18

Thanks for posting those excerpts @Rumboogie.

longwayoff · 25/11/2019 12:47

It's telly. Not a documentary. Liberties are taken as it's object is to entertain us

DMCWelshcakes · 25/11/2019 13:10

Just watched episode 3. Harrowing viewing, especially as a Welsh mother of primary aged children. Those graves on the hillside make me cry every time I see them. Unimaginable horror.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 25/11/2019 13:58

It's telly. Not a documentary. Liberties are taken as it's object is to entertain us

I'm not sure the liberties taken do make it any more entertaining though. Also, where you're dealing with real people (especially those who are still living) surely it's reasonable to depict them and the events around them as truthfully as you can?

SpiderCharlotte · 25/11/2019 14:06

John Lithgow as Churchill is so, SO wonderful. I would never even have considered him to be the right choice but I think he was absolutely perfect.

OpalBerry · 25/11/2019 14:29

Loved JL at the Royal Wedding saying "Prominent Nazis!" about the D of E's family in the first episode of Season 1 Grin

OpalBerry · 25/11/2019 14:30

Loved the George VI actor too