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George Clarkes Council House Scandal

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HelenaDove · 24/07/2019 22:22

31 July on Channel 4

tvhighlights.bradfordzone.co.uk/television/tvprogrammes/george-clarkes-council-house-scandal-channel-4-31-july-900pm/

As council housing in the UK reaches its 100th anniversary, George Clarke embarks on his own personal campaign to kick start a new wave of council house building. A child of a council estate, Clarke looks at the reasons for the steep decline in affordable public housing, and meets those who have suffered due to the acute shortage of homes. In a bid to realise his own ambition to create social housing of quantity, and quality, he meets visionary architects of the past, and visits the best and worst examples of housing currently on offer. A trip to Vienna, where social housing can come with indoor and outdoor pools, proves inspirational for his housing vision for the future. George lobbies government to reform housing policy, before taking matters into his own hands in a bid to start a housing revolution. Prod Co: Amazing Productions

on next Wednesday

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 01:04

Great post @stumbledin

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Weezol · 01/08/2019 01:25

I thought it quite a low key approach to the issue and he sort of skirted the real politics. ie that the asset stripping on council housing was deliberate social engineering by the Tories.

That might be because he owns ex-council properties through right-to-buy. He bought his childhood home for his mother and another council property for his sister.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/george-clarkes-council-house-scandal-review-boris-should-consult-this-architect-on-housing-0mn6t3hf5

stumbledin · 01/08/2019 01:38

weezol Sad Angry Shock

Lucafritz · 01/08/2019 01:43

I thought it was awful to watch and he's a massive hypocrite. Poverty porn at its finest! Here we have George Clarke driving round in his Jaguar taking pity on the poor people who can't have a secure home because he and his family bought them through right to buy schemes Hmm

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 02:26

@SimplySteveRedux

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 02:33

I dont remember accessible housing being mentioned.

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SimplySteveRedux · 01/08/2019 02:50

Thanks @HelenaDove will read :)

SimplySteveRedux · 01/08/2019 03:19

Lynsey Hanley's - Estates: An Intimate History is a good read too. I just picked up the Broughton title.

SimplySteveRedux · 01/08/2019 03:31

Gonna get flamed but I refuse to NC.

Our current SHA house is a tip. It's dirty, it's smelly. Why? Because for over two years we've been begging to move as I am bedbound and DP is blind. We have submitted numerous evidence from a social worker, from our GP, from hospital specialists, from others, empirically stating we are inadequately housed. Yet for two years nothing has been done, and with a dissblist housing officer, I doubt we will get the reference to move, unless we can appeal to a "new" SHA the situation; they already have all the medical docs.

Sometimes SHA just want their filthy lucre and give not two shits how they are getting it, or how vulnerable some people are. 50 falls/17 A&E visits this year as a result of the stairs and bath in the current property.

I do feel sorry for social services, their budget has been cut to the bone, where previously support was available, now they means-assess. The amount we would lose to, say, get a cleaner in once a week for a few hrs would leave us more destitute and vulnerable than we already are, something actually mooted by the social worker.

HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 14:18
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Etihad · 01/08/2019 19:44

Thanks weezol I have just started watching and was wondering how he hadn’t noticed the irony of his mum socially renting a 3 bed house on her own when there are families in that office block. Hoping this programme might improve as it’s an incredibly important issue. But he is annoying me in his Jag at the moment!

HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 20:04

Its repeated tonight on Channel Four Seven at 9pm

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 20:41

Can we talk about an aspect of social housing that never gets discussed. The sexism. In 1991 (back in the mists of time before i met DH when i was 18 and still living with my parents) i went with a friend to the local council office who needed to find a flat. She was single. I still remember what was said to her all these years later. "Im sorry but there arent many available at the moment if you had a baby things would be different but we cant help you at the moment.

I met DH in 1992 and we moved into a small bedsit and lived there for two years and 3 months before we moved to where we are now.....

Single men WERE more likely to be housed than single women or couples (all this is without children) It was assumed that women would meet a man and move in with him. (this obvs meant a higher risk of abuse.

The final straw was when my best friends ex beat her yet again She finally gave him the boot and this violent druggie was rehoused within THREE DAYS. While women were being told Sorry we cant help unless you have a child.

We had an interview for a flat and we attended and towards the end of the interview i asked how likely it was we would get allocated a flat She said it could be a while. I brought up my friends ex and she said it was sooner for him because he was "vulnerable" Yep so vulnerable that he beat up a subsequent partner so badly she lost their baby. She had moved in with him because she had no other choice.

Anyway we did get offered a flat which is still the same one bedroom flat we are in now 25 years later.

Why? Because im childfree by choice and we have always been low income.

So we are still where we are because i havent reproduced. Im not moaning about it Just stating a fact.

I will point out though that if more lower income couples made the same choice as us there would be even less one bedroom places becoming available.

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 20:58

Oh and id forgotten this When she left him (although she did go back) they sent her to a refuge in another town.

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HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 21:01

She needed to be rehoused near her family which was closer Though i know sending to another town is normal for protection it was in the opposite direction so right up the other end of the country from her family.

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CaptainMyCaptain · 01/08/2019 22:03

To be fair, he did say he wasn't opposed to Right to Buy per se but that the profits weren't used to build more Council Housing. His mum reluctantly bought her house as she believed (rightly or wrongly) it was the only way to ensure her grandchildren would have somewhere to live. He bought his ex council house off someone else, it's not as if it would have been returned to council ownership if he hadn't bought it. It would be more hypocritical to praise council housing but live in an ivory tower far away from it.

Babdoc · 01/08/2019 22:44

It’s all very well for Clarke to blow his trumpet about the utopian estate he plans to build. He’s building it in Manchester.
How does he propose to solve the housing crisis in London and the SE, where the shortage of properties and astronomic cost of land make it impossible for councils to deal with their housing waiting lists?
I’m sure London borough councils would be delighted to slap up some massive new estates - just tell them where on earth they can squeeze them in, and how the hell to afford them, George!

Graphista · 01/08/2019 22:52

I had forgotten this was on (sorry Helena [embarrassed]) writing as I watch on catch up.

I definitely defer to your and others wealth of knowledge on this and feel I am massively out of depth on the topic to be honest. Certainly the details.

My mother was born into a room end - one room for everything for the family except the toilet which was outside and shared with iirc 40 other families (basically slum housing) in glasgow (a part of glasgow that even now, despite its 'gentrification' in recent years, the name is still synonymous with 'slum housing') in the 40's, when her parents were "transferred" as part of getting rid of such housing and putting families into modern, better homes to a different part of glasgow (a good distance from their original district and of course family & friends), to a newly built tenement flat with what seemed to them at the time the sheer luxury of a home with separate rooms, electric & hot and cold running water, and their very own toilet!

But over time that flat (a 2.5 bed for what was initially a family of 4, gran, parents and mum) became less...well regarded? My grandparents went on to have 5 more DC (Catholic, plus fairly normal for the time being before the invention of the pill, legalised abortion) but were never considered eligible for a larger property and so ended up with 9 people living in a 2.5 bed fairly small flat. They managed, but I can't imagine it was easy, my mother has never had a bed that was solely hers, let alone a room, sharing a bed with her sisters until she married. Over time it was less well maintained and by the time my gran & mum's youngest sibling moved out (gran was in a wheelchair and very ill and needed to be in a ground floor/bungalow type property as no lift in the old place either)

One aspect of the scheme my mum grew up in (from watching the show the Austrian setup) was at that time when "council housing" was built it wasn't JUST the housing that was built. When the scheme was built the infrastructure necessary to the community was ALSO built, shops, schools, gp surgeries, footy pitches, parks...

You can't just slap a load of utilitarian "housing units" up, fail to provide the residents with the necessary local facilities to build a community...and then expect there not to be problems and frustrations that lead to poor mh & physical health, vandalism, crime etc

Graphista · 01/08/2019 22:53

"Residents can appeal..." - erm how? Most people would have NO idea how to do so, legal aid has been massively cut back and restricted for such matters, most people don't feel confident risking "pissing off" their landlord for fear of losing their home! We've already massive issues with illegally managed and revenge evictions.

"This is about long term thinking" absolutely - but the problem is our govts Cba to think long term, they think only in terms of winning the next election - and that's partly our fault! Yes in electing shitty mps and parties, but also in not holding them when they're in power to promises made, in not telling our representatives while they're in the jobs what we want them to do, what the problems are.

We need to tell them to quit short term, false economy, sticking plaster nonsense!

There's much discussion on mn of various political topics, but that's largely meaningless if we don't also get those opinions and yes - demands - across to the people in a position to make a difference.

I'm currently housebound (pardon the pun/irony) due to ill health and so feel quite, well very, limited in what difference I can make, but I try to do what I can. I support shelter (who've helped me greatly) by sharing fundraising info, signing petitions, raising awareness. I communicate regularly with my MP and Msp on a variety of issues including this one, as someone who's been homeless twice, raised by parents who grew up in council flats, and who is now in social housing myself.

I also really strongly feel we need to demand that mps DON'T have any vested interests while serving as OUR REPRESENTATIVES.

Far far too many mps are property developers, landlords and similarly have vested interests in keeping housing prices high, housing at a premium, rights and laws on the side of the housing industry RATHER than on the side of tenants and residents. It's plain corrupt as evidenced by how these mps VOTE on ANYTHING that relates to housing- seriously please do go and check out which MPs are involved in the housing industry and then LOOK at how they vote on eg giving tenants more stability.

We, as a society, ABSOLUTELY CANNOT expect people, families, communities to live in shit quality and size of homes, without security & stability and seriously expect the people & families in those homes to then stay healthy, able to make the most of education opportunities and employment opportunities.

And to those less concerned with the rights and decent fair treatment of these people, our society can't AFFORD to be so short sighted on this - because long term dealing with the fallout from such shitty policies on housing is actually bloody expensive! So even if your primary concern is money, you're still getting it wrong!

Maslow's hierarchy of need, BASIC human rights, or indeed basic bloody common sense! Means we all know that decent, clean, habitable, adequately sized homes are the very foundation that allows us to function.

I am no economist or financial expert but I have had brief discussions in real life and on SM with such experts. I asked them if I were somehow misunderstanding something in thinking (at a very basic level) that actually a sustained and well funded programme of building much more social housing would benefit our country and its economy in several ways

Creating jobs

Providing the opportunity to teach the younger generation the skills to do so meaning they build their cv

Bringing the cost of housing down overall

Stimulating the economy - because the people working in the construction of these homes would spend the money earned, spending on materials and machinery, maybe even (hopefully) having British companies provide the materials/equipment to build the homes, tenants having more spare money due to lower rents that they'd spend elsewhere etc

Reducing expenditure on health, social care, policing etc because people with secure housing are then able to access any support needed and their health and wellbeing generally would be better.

They did say it was a bit more complex (I'm sure) but that basically yea it would greatly benefit the country.

So I return to my point about mps should be not focusing on preventing legislative changes which disadvantage the private housing industry but instead SERVING US by passing legislation to ensure secure, good quality, affordable housing.

Gran22 · 01/08/2019 22:58

Babdoc, DH was born in London just after WWII. Both parents had roots there, East and West London and Herts. They moved north because although FIL had a skilled job there was a housing shortage. Why do so many people, who don't have roots or history in London feel its their right to be housed there?

CoolCarrie · 01/08/2019 23:04

I am sorry to rid of your situation Simply. It is truly shocking to read, my heart goes out to you and I dearly hope you and your partner will be rehoused soon.

HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 23:05

"I definitely defer to your and others wealth of knowledge on this and feel I am massively out of depth on the topic to be honest. Certainly the details"

Graphista i think you are doing yourself a disservice here Thanks

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