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George Clarkes Council House Scandal

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HelenaDove · 24/07/2019 22:22

31 July on Channel 4

tvhighlights.bradfordzone.co.uk/television/tvprogrammes/george-clarkes-council-house-scandal-channel-4-31-july-900pm/

As council housing in the UK reaches its 100th anniversary, George Clarke embarks on his own personal campaign to kick start a new wave of council house building. A child of a council estate, Clarke looks at the reasons for the steep decline in affordable public housing, and meets those who have suffered due to the acute shortage of homes. In a bid to realise his own ambition to create social housing of quantity, and quality, he meets visionary architects of the past, and visits the best and worst examples of housing currently on offer. A trip to Vienna, where social housing can come with indoor and outdoor pools, proves inspirational for his housing vision for the future. George lobbies government to reform housing policy, before taking matters into his own hands in a bid to start a housing revolution. Prod Co: Amazing Productions

on next Wednesday

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 14:17

*Along with the actually sell of there was an intense change in media coverage from council housing being people homes, even the inventive pre fabs post WWII, to council estates only being for people who were socially deficient.

The worse thing is that this attitude has rubbed off on those who grew up in that time and didn't have the earlier experience of the pride in council housing, and they are the ones working in HAs etc., and treat tenants as second class citizens*

Agree Our previous housing officer was under 30 though and the way he treated the tenants round here was bloody appalling.

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 14:35

I remember reading that story by Dawn Foster at the time, and she along with Sisters Uncut where exploiting the shocking tragedy of Grenfell to score points against a tory borough

Well not everyone will agree with that opinion. And the plain fact is if the council had listened to the residents in the first place instead of ignoring them and then threatening them with legal action if they didnt keep quiet there would be nothing there for any journalist to exploit.

There were reports of power surges going back to 2013 As well as many other problems.

And the fact is HAs STILL dont listen See Barking fire and Barne Barton fire.

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 14:37

There are no results for the Grenfell community have asked people, particularly the media NOT to publish stories from political groups who are leaching on their terrible loss to make cheap political points

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 14:50

Agree with what @Inertia said two years ago.

*Keeping quiet about this tragedy for fear of seeing disrespectful will not help or reassure thousands of other people facing similar risks. The tenants tried for years to have their voiced heard and were shouted down. Now when someone with influence speaks about the issue, it's deemed disrespectful. If we're taking about being disrespectful, I think it's far more disrespectful to hide damning safety reports for several years, and to vote down a bill to ensure homes are habitable to protect your private financial gains.

People living in similar homes across the country need action now. Nobody wants there to be a next time*

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 20:24

municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/rebates-and-rent-strike/

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HelenaDove · 30/07/2019 20:49

municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/balfron-tower-poplar-2/

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 19:10

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/george-clarke-criticises-britains-obsession-16673825

this is on tonight.

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 19:14

@MonkeyToesOfDoom

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 21:00

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mum2jakie · 31/07/2019 21:04

Thanks. Just turned over

JoxerGoesToStuttgart · 31/07/2019 21:30

I’m sitting open mouthed at so much of this programme.

Will catch up on thread after the show.

SwedishEdith · 31/07/2019 21:43

Those Austrian flats - I want to move.

Laterthanyouthink · 31/07/2019 21:45

Shelter England have a campaign on their website for more council housing if anyone wants to sign.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 21:48

Kate Macintosh also designed Macintosh Court. Which Lambeth Council have been wrecking with their shoddy workmanship.

twitter.com/court_sw16/status/1155068374864605184?s=20

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MoobaaMoobaa · 31/07/2019 21:50

fantastic programme. I'll read thread and join in tomorrow.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 21:51

Imagine the uproar and the objections in the UK if swimming pools were incorporated into social housing developments.

Instead we have housing associations insisting tenants remove their childrens play equipment.

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SauvignonBlanche · 31/07/2019 21:54

Excellent programme.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 22:06

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/tenants-angry-after-trampoline-is-removed-but-scaffolding-is-allowed-to-stay-up-1-5613191

www.real-fix.com/bizarre/mum-slams-killjoy-housing-association-for-forcing-her-to-remove-paddling-pool-and-trampoline-from-communal-garden-over-health-and-safety-fears/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635130/Council-killjoys-force-mother-remove-trampoline-paddling-pool-garden-pose-health-safety-risks-despite-three-incident-free-years.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5698389/Family-told-to-remove-trampoline-because-it-could-be-used-by-burglars.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2376632/Health-safety-inspector-orders-mother-3m-public-liability-insurance-childs-trampoline-communal-gardens.html

IMO the burglars one is the best

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cardamoncoffee · 31/07/2019 22:49

Watched this and started a thread in chat. Totally agree more affordable housing is needed, the Austrian housing looked fab but I wonder if it operates on the same principle that UK council/social housing does, ie priority of needs?

There is a rather disturbing rhetoric and hierarchy that has developed here

I agree Helena, but the reality is that the stock of housing is in deficit and housing is allocated on a needs basis, meaning that the most vulnerable are at the top of the list and are more likely to occupy SH. If all affordable housing was occupied by lawyers, doctors and City bankers there would (rightly) be an outcry.

I don't know what the solution is. 'Homes for Life' is problematic in the sense that there will never be enough stock to allow a 90 year old single man/woman occupy the 4 bed house that they got in 1945 when they had 5 children under 10. The man in the programme who became homeless is testament to this. The reality is that competition is so fierce in some areas that it is a race to the bottom.

HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 22:57

There is a group that sits between the vulnerable and the lawyers docs and bankers though

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cardamoncoffee · 31/07/2019 23:05

I suppose in an ideal world there would be affordable housing for all, which would reduce somewhat the British obsession with home ownership. IIRC in most of Europe renting is standard, I wonder if social housing there has RTB?

HelenaDove · 31/07/2019 23:08

Its not only RTB that has caused the problem As ive posted on the thread

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Gran22 · 31/07/2019 23:22

I'll watch this tomorrow, its recorded. As someone who would have loved a council house in the early 70s (couldn't get one as DH & I had moved to a different place, and the old Urban and Rural District Councils only liked housing people whose families had lived there since Adam was a lad!) To get out of a private rented, run down house we scraped enough for a mortgage. So we became the first owner occupiers in our families.

I went on to work in council housing for a few years from the mid 90s, and boy, had it changed from my youth when all sorts of people were council tenants, including a couple of my teachers. Some estates had few properties left for rent, others, less desirable, had become the last resort for those with no choice.

I'm not in an area like London where home ownership is only for the wealthy, and at the beginning of this century there were empty council properties that no one wanted to rent. Demolition followed. Then we had a recession, and austerity, and even here in the north we now have a shortage.

I think there needs to be a push to build specialist social housing for older people. People who may have bought a fairly cheap house don't have the capital to buy a retirement flat or bungalow, but are excluded from many council housing registers and other social landlords may allocate via those registers. People renting, on their own, in family houses because there is nowhere suitable for them to downsize to.

The benefits of building for an ageing population are multiple. Financial - no worries about heating or maintaining a large home; Health - earlier release from hospital because of suitable accommodation; fewer accidents because of suitable accommodation; fewer admissions to expensive care homes because of suitable accommodation; Community - releases family sized homes either to rent or buy; offers support as many families don't live near each other. The local authority where I live is in partnership building 'affordable' large family houses. Not a bungalow in sight.

HelenaDove · 01/08/2019 00:13

From the link on Tues at 20.24

n the early thirties, the average weekly rent of Leeds council housing stood at 8s 2d (41p) – the rent on a three-bedroom parlour house could be as high as 12s 6d (62.5p). In contrast, back-to-back rents were generally below 5s (25p). Moreover, it had been Council policy, prior to Labour’s victory, that no family on public assistance be granted the tenancy of a council dwelling larger than a two-bedroom flat

Jenkinson’s solution to the conundrum was the Differential Rent Scheme: the most comprehensive scheme of rent rebates in the country. Anyone with a weekly income below that calculated necessary by the BMA’s Committee on Nutrition to meet essential needs would pay no rent. Leeds – uniquely – did not set a minimum rent payable by all. Jenkinson stated baldly

We shall not begin to talk about rent until there is sufficient money in the household to provide that family with the necessities of life.

Conversely, those who could pay the full economic rent were expected to do so.

Translated from policy to practicalities, the scheme – which affected 5750 tenants – required wide-ranging means testing and increased officialdom. Weekly incomes had to be submitted to council scrutiny in the tenants’ ‘Grey Book‘; 28 additional rent collectors had to be employed. Such intrusive means testing had unavoidable echoes of the reviled Public Assistance Committees so active in this period of the Great Depression

It also meant, of course, that a significant minority of council tenants would pay increased rents, sometimes by as much as 5 shillings a week.

To T.H. Gilberthorpe, president of the Leeds Federation of Municipal Tenants Associations, ‘The whole system [seemed] to be turning round.’ More affluent working-class tenants felt their aspiration and respectability affronted. As one spokesman stated:

Are we then unsuitable tenants? Definitely no! Do we not bear ample witness to the good judgement of those who selected us to occupy these houses? The average corporation tenant is a credit to the community… It may be that the fact that we are corporation tenants has enabled us to get good jobs

The Federation carried out a door to door ballot of nine of the city’s eleven estates. Of a total of 2,284 returned ballots, 1,667 voted against differential rents.

The Federation carried out a door to door ballot of nine of the city’s eleven estates. Of a total of 2,284 returned ballots, 1,667 voted against differential rents.

The scheme had caused immense division. Financially, there were clear winners and losers and differential rents set better-off tenants against the worse-off. One opponent complained of the ‘constant bickering and…general feeling of unneighbourliness’ which had resulted.

In the event only some 400 to 500 tenants withheld rent. And when the Council responded firmly – sending out notices to quit by registered mail – the resistance collapsed. The ‘strike’ lasted barely two weeks. A later legal challenge to the scheme also failed.

But his focus on rehousing the poorest and the means employed did create a dynamic in social housing – the potential, at least, that it would come to be seen as housing of last resort for the least well-off. The ideal of the council estate as a mixed community had been eroded – as it would be far more drastically from the 1980s. The interwar reality of council estates as a site of upward mobility for the ‘respectable’ working class was weakened

Could it have been different? Even to ask the question seems somehow to imply that Labour reformers could have ignored the poor. Maybe the easiest thing to say is simply that there were no good options. Where resources were scarce, Jenkinson’s determination to do the bold, right thing for the poorest inevitably impacted on those just a little up the ladder.

We wrestle with dilemma today as Charles Jenkinson and his Labour colleagues did in the 1930s

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stumbledin · 01/08/2019 00:59

This is just a quick comment as I made an effort to watch it at the time (rather than catch up)

I thought it quite a low key approach to the issue and he sort of skirted the real politics. ie that the asset stripping on council housing was deliberate social engineering by the Tories. In the same was as Tied Housing made employees scared to complain about employment issue, pushing people into unrealistic mortgage repayments creats a passive workforce who dont agitate at work.

Only a snobbish, class ridden elitist country like England would allow those in power to persuade them that the pretension of home ownership was aspirational. Not forgetting it was the US housing crisis that pushed us all into recession.

How is it that even quite conservative European countries have a committment to social housing as a basis for a good society, and we are such forelock tugging lackeys that we are actually buying housing that for instance claims to have a double bedroom, (which before the tories abolished the Parker Morrison standards meant a room that could fit a double bed, an upright hanging cupboard, dressing table and other small items) but in fact means a room which is so small a double bed fills it!

Of all the anti social, mean spirited things the Tories have done their destruction on social housing has caused more harm to this county than nearly anything else.

And Labour didnot reverse it.

For me the programme was a Ground Hog day. I think it was C4 that did nearly an identical one with Phil Spencer or one of them. Again building a prototype estate.

Unless and until we all, irrespective of our personal aspirations, commit to this, as to the NHS it is only going to get worse.

And the media needs to stop drip feeding these endless programmes about buying and doing up houses.

And buy to rent should be banned.

All those things that this country fought for in both WWI and WWII helped create a sense of society that wanted to do this. But then 70 years later Thatcher and the loads of money culture made these aspirations a joke.