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Handmaid's Tale. EPISODE 2 (season 3). Channel 4. 9pm 16/6/19 UK pace. NO SPOILERS

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OriginofSpecies · 16/06/2019 20:44

A new thread to discuss Episode Two (season 3) of The Handmaid's Tale.

We are watching UK pace, Channel 4.

We have only seen episode one so far.

Please NO SPOILERS.

OP posts:
historysock · 17/06/2019 13:17

My impression of Mrs Lawrence is that she may once have been a leading figure in the resistance of Gilead, but became unwell due to the stress of it. I think commander Lawrence is also morally on board with the cause but is first and foremost committed to his wife and her protection. He is very scared of her getting hurt and cynical now about how much can actually be done. Therefore he will help sometimes but not at the expense of compromising himself and thus his wife. He's conflicted, and angry at the situation they are all in-and therefore a bit unstable-and not as driven to help as might have once been.
That's my supposition anyway!
I think Mrs Lawrence will make one last big stand during this series somehow.

ittooshallpass · 17/06/2019 13:27

I agree there wasn't as much tension, but previously June was totally on her own. She had no idea who could be trusted. She now has Handmaids and Martha's she knows are on the same page as her, so the feeling of isolation and despair has lifted.

The dead bodies hanging in clear view when June was lining up with the Martha's let us know the regime is as bad as ever. The difference now is that June is joining forces and fighting back.

I think CLs wife is faking. She snapped into completely capable mode when the guards arrived. I wouldn't be surprised if she's running the show and CL is doing as she bids. Hence his anger at what was going on in the house/ basement. He's clearly not comfortable with what's going on, but doesn't seem to be in a position to do anything about it. One of the Martha's also said 'You're new, you don't know how it works around here', which could have been a reference to the fact that CL isn't in charge.

Luke is being Luke... I can't see June ever having a relationship with him when she gets out. He wouldn't have a clue how to support her. I doubt she'd be attracted to him any more.

I'm not impressed with how Emily has just been shoved through the system in Canada. The poor woman is completely broken. She's been raped, mutilated and has committed murder (or at least thinks she killed AL). There seemed no support for her at all. So even though there were female Drs, opticians, etc. They behaved in what I thought was a very male way, ie. no compassion or empathy to what she had been through. I really hope she has a positive reunion with her wife and child. As Moira said, there's no happily ever after, just after. I fear she'll develop cancer after all the radiation she was exposed to. So she may appear healthy now, but for how long?

I really want to see the Winterman's. Especially Serena; she had that same look in her eye that June had at the end of last season. Maybe she'll join the resistance?!

AnotherEmma · 17/06/2019 13:27

I agree that June doesn't have to be likeable, but I think she does have to be relatable - and I'm struggling with that now.

The "nothing to lose" argument makes some sense but it's not consistent with her choice to stay behind - she handed over her second daughter in order to rescue her first daughter. If she dies before rescuing Hannah, she will have abandoned Nichole for nothing.

Personally I would be selfish and would only help others if it allowed me to win their trust and help in my quest to save Hannah. That might have been what she was doing, who knows? But it didn't seem like it.

I suppose June want the whole of Gilead to fall and maybe that's her best/only hope of rescuing Hannah?

IcedPurple · 17/06/2019 13:35

I agree that June doesn't have to be likeable, but I think she does have to be relatable - and I'm struggling with that now.

Yes I agree. It's all getting a bit silly.

This is what happens when you stretch out a book which was meant more as a metaphor than a 'real' situation. Starting to lose the plot, in every sense of the phrase.

WellErrr · 17/06/2019 13:36

I think CLs wife is faking. She snapped into completely capable mode when the guards arrived.

I kind of think so too, but then why not fake it for AL?

WellErrr · 17/06/2019 13:37

I agree that June doesn't have to be likeable, but I think she does have to be relatable - and I'm struggling with that now.

Yes, I agree with this.

CurbsideProphet · 17/06/2019 14:02

The way I saw it was June just couldn't leave Hannah in Gilead on her own. She had an initial panic that it was still possible to take Hannah to Canada, but obviously that was heart rather than head.
Nick told June she will die in Gilead and June agreed. She would now rather die trying to fight against Gilead than leave without Hannah.

Mrs Lawrence is interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing more of her.

BrienneofTarthILoveYou · 17/06/2019 14:04

I'm looking forward to seeing more of Mrs Lawrence too @CurbsideProphet

Tunnockswafer · 17/06/2019 14:09

Overthrowing Gilead is another way to help Hannah

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2019 14:24

I was surprised that there wasn’t more help and support for Emily in Canada - they must have experience with other escapees, and understand their psychological needs - but no-one seemed to notice how overwhelming she was finding it all.

I also didn’t think the bit about June going along with the Marthas was credible - I don’t think they could have organised a valid pass for her, at no notice, and I don’t think they would have risked letting her go with them.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 17/06/2019 14:40

I was surprised that there wasn’t more help and support for Emily in Canada - they must have experience with other escapees, and understand their psychological needs - but no-one seemed to notice how overwhelming she was finding it all.

I wondered if that's partly because Canada's overwhelmed too. Maybe they're getting so many refugees that they feel they just have to keep processing them.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/06/2019 14:52

Plus, Emily gave up the baby. If she'd kept Nicole then she'd, presumably, have priority for help.

Roussette · 17/06/2019 15:10

She was having counselling wasn't she... that was mentioned by the Doctor

TheLoneWolfDies · 17/06/2019 15:12

Junes character was never likeable in the book either. But I agree what shes doing is just a bit far fetched. I'm hoping theres a good reason, pretty sure theres 13 episodes in this season so there is a lot more to come. Personally I'm enjoying it but I definatly see where you are all coming from.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 17/06/2019 15:29

All the stuff around the colonies, the toxic waste, the infertility epidemic feels under - thought through.

IcedPurple · 17/06/2019 16:34

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I agree. I think part of the problem, as I've said above, is that they are making multiple TV series out of a shortish novel which was more of an allegory than anything else. So while it was possible to pass over some of the minor details in that format, as part of an extended TV programme it becomes a bit more difficult and is stating to strain credibility.

GileadWivesAreFashionIcons · 17/06/2019 16:59

Agree that Mrs Lawrence is one to watch! Am I right in thinking that she was planting flowers on top of the buried Martha? Do we think she knew what was underneath there or not? I can’t decide!

GileadWivesAreFashionIcons · 17/06/2019 17:00

Also, as I posted that and saw my username it occurred to me that I don’t see Mrs Lawrence to be as polished and done as the other wives - I think this is significant too.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 17/06/2019 17:03

Agree that Mrs Lawrence is one to watch! Am I right in thinking that she was planting flowers on top of the buried Martha? Do we think she knew what was underneath there or not? I can’t decide!

Well, she must have noticed that it looked different! I think she knew.

Kitsandkids · 17/06/2019 17:37

I think Mrs Lawrence definitely knew. She was planting flowers so it wouldn’t scream ‘fresh grave’ if anyone came round.

Allhailthesun · 17/06/2019 18:00

The official way Canada treats the refugees is surely meant to represent what happens in the present day?. A country is compassionate in theory but lose a bit of that when the numbers increase. One of the agents processing Emily said “ they all love Canada “in a sarky way last week.

I think June is determined to do as much damage as possible. She had only just become a handmaid in the first series. The regime has moved on and has the resistance in this one. They all know the score now.

Mrs Lawerence has got to be in the resistance surely!

OriginofSpecies · 17/06/2019 18:18

I couldn't get subtitles last night, which was really annoying. Had to concentrate so hard and I still missed loads of whispered/mumbled dialogue.

I too feel that my credulity is being stretched a bit too far. I couldn't believe how familiar June was with the Marthas when she hasn't been in the household for very long. And for them to be standing around brazenly discussing the escape (I missed the dialogue due to no subtitles, but June knew what they were talking about as soon as she entered the room).

Why did they allow her to tag along? They said themselves that moving people is the hardest and most dangerous thing to do. Why on earth risk what has presumably taken a lot of work and effort, just so June can "learn the ropes". June has already been part of two escape attempts, so surely she's got some idea of what is involved.

It also made no sense to me when the bomb-making Martha left the house again after she had come back with shot-Martha. She knew where her next destination was, which I was puzzled about (why did she need to be taken to the pick-up point if she knew where she was going), but a previous poster said that shot-Martha must have already told her where they were headed. Which again doesn't make sense. Everything I've learnt about secretly moving/hiding people from watching films/TV and reading books indicates that you don't know where you are going until you get there. That way if you are intercepted and interrogated, you can't compromise the safe-house or other people.

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thatone · 17/06/2019 18:47

I'm also fascinated by what happened to Mrs Lawrence, I think she is traumatised in some way but can pull herself together when there is a crisis.

We also got a glimpse of Cmdr Lawrence's beliefs when he said women like June were like children who want everything - sort of explains the beginnings of Gilead. If indeed he was one of its architects then that shows that he thought women were getting too much freedom.

AnotherEmma · 17/06/2019 18:58

I thought that too.

AGnu · 17/06/2019 19:59

shot-Martha must have already told her where they were headed. Which again doesn't make sense.

I think it does - shot-Martha was able to speak enough to beg them to help her & she & bomb-Martha had travelled some distance together after she'd been shot. She must've known she couldn't continue the journey so may have told bomb-Martha where to go as a last resort to make sure she got to her final destination. I guess she might've thought it was a risk worth taking if the whole line of people was set up ready to whisk her away.