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GAME OF THRONES: THE FINAL EPISODE. Monday 20th May. Spoilers after 2am.

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OneInAMillionYou · 19/05/2019 01:38

It's here.

Eight seasons of love, hate, family, battles, history, mystery, myth and legend.

After laying waste to Kings' Landing, what next for Daenerys? Does destiny feel good when you kill thousands of innocents to reach it?

I will really miss these characters and their stories. Epic, must-watch television is rare. Will we ever see its like again?

And now our watch is ended.

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WinterIsComingKnitFaster · 21/05/2019 07:51

I assume the Dothraki were paid off.

Robin2323 · 21/05/2019 07:56

don’t think any of that is a given. Tyrion is Lord Lannister of Casterly Rock now, there’s no reason he wouldn’t marry. Davos could easily marry again. Jon has been told not to by a family who will never check up on him, and the free folk don’t bother with marriage anyway. He could still fall in love.

Most likely.
Now there is Leave normal stuff can start again.
Dating, marriage , babies :)

SapatSea · 21/05/2019 07:57

Who rebuilt the wall?

Robin2323 · 21/05/2019 07:57

Peace not leave lol

Lweji · 21/05/2019 07:59

@SapatSea

Who rebuilt the wall?

Only a small section went down, by the sea.
That was elsewhere.

HigaDequasLuoff · 21/05/2019 08:01

I think Jon will divide his time between the free north and Castle Black. As someone said - the Nights Watch is still needed in Westeros society - partly a prison for the criminals who can't be trusted to stay in the rest of society, partly a refuge for those who can't find a niche anywhere else. It needs to be led by a good man. Jon will do that job, for a while. But he will visit the wildlings regularly while ranging, and sooner or later he will fall for another wildling redhead and will pass on his duty to someone else and live happily ever after.

JasperRising · 21/05/2019 08:09

I am confused by Jon. I interpreted it as him joining the Free Folk but we commentators described it as him and Tormund leading the Free Folk home with Jon in his role as lord commander of the nights watch. But it wasn't specified by Bran he even had to be lord Commander was it?

Also confusing me, the wall is in the north which is now independent? Is the westerosi king allowed to just sent people to serve in a different country? Who is responsible for its upkeep? Is it going to be a joint venture? A wall between westeros and the north would make the most sense now from a westeros point of view... Otherwise they are not defending their border!

DH thinks Bran as king would have been better if they'd spent more time delving into his powers rather than just having him eyeroll and see a few key scenes. Can he see future (I'm not convinced) or just past and present? Does he need the weirwood trees? Then we might know Bran a bit better as a character. I kind of agree - the concept of king by election and Bran kicking it off as unable to have kids makes sense to me but in terms of a story in would have worked better if he had been so bland.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 21/05/2019 08:09

I loved Brienne writing in the book but seriously how did it survive - or the Small Council chamber? The Red Keep was in ruins.

I'm glad I saw the leaks so I was prepared. Bran and Bronn, ugh. The leaks didn't mention Brienne so I was really pleased with that and I am thrilled Davos survived to the end.

Overall I thought this series had some superb moments and I just loved episode 2 but the end was badly executed and way too rushed

StarbucksSmarterSister · 21/05/2019 08:13

Is the westerosi king allowed to just sent people to serve in a different country?

Sansa will set up toll gates and charge them. The money will pay for her fancy clothes and another - sparkly - crown for special occasions.

ChaircatMiaow · 21/05/2019 08:14

Weren’t some of the Dothraki walking around the quay as Jon walked past Greyworm on the quay? They looked like they were out for a stroll

kungfupannda · 21/05/2019 08:16

I liked Bran's brief appearance in the meeting. I think it's meant to show that the real ruling will be done by a group, rather than it being about absolute power resting in one man. And I rather enjoyed the bonkers council meeting - yes, Bronn was in there as fan service, but it was fun. And other than him, the rest of the council are good choices - none of them have lived a traditional life of privilege. The three highborn council members both had to struggle to get where they are - Brienne by being a woman in a man's world, Sam by not being what his father wanted, and Tyrion by being a dwarf, and Davos was a commoner. And all of them have seen what happens when power goes wrong.

The more I think about this episode, the more I like it. There were a lot of callbacks to earlier episodes, in terms of imagery, dialogue or character arcs. Jaime being both kingslayer and, in a sense, kingmaker. Dany's corpse looking incredibly like Joffrey's. Davos becoming a grammar pedant - like Stannis. Jon getting pretty much what he wanted in the early episodes - to essentially ride out as first ranger.

I also liked the way some stories were ongoing. I could picture the 'next episode' very clearly for some of them. The Unsullied arriving in Narth and telling the people 'we cannot father children so we will protect yours.' Arya finding the new world. Sansa starting a new game of politics in the north. The small council bantering its way through genuinely trying to make a better world.

Yes, I'm actually pretty happy with it all!

kungfupannda · 21/05/2019 08:17

And yes, like a PP, as long as Davos made it, I'm happy. He was always my favourite!

WinterIsComingKnitFaster · 21/05/2019 08:28

In my mind Miaow, that was Clive and Eric of the Dothraki. While waiting around in formation for Dany’s big speech they got chatting about how they’d always been told that stone houses were an inferior form of dwelling, but actually they are jolly cosy and weather-proof. Clive has a bath while at WInterfell (which has very good hot water plumbing from the springs), and highly recommends them to Eric. Eric had a revelation on the boat over: his eyes stopped streaming and he stopped sneezing once he was separated from the horses for a couple of days. He’d never realised that that was what was causing it. So when everyone else set off, they just...accidentally missed the boats. Genetics is not destiny, even for the Dothraki.

ElenadeClermont · 21/05/2019 08:30

kungfupannda Spot on.

JasperRising · 21/05/2019 08:32

StarbucksSmarterSister
Good spot on the magic surviving book! Maybe it went into storage before the battle like when we stashed valuable docs and art before war.

Sansa will set up toll gates and charge them. The money will pay for her fancy clothes and another - sparkly - crown for special occasions.

I could totally buy this at the moment where the countries are still linked closely. Once the rulers change I'm not sure they'll be so happy that their northern border is manned by criminals and broken men from another country. Give it a few decades and I reckon they'll have their own version of UKIP frothing at the mouth about foreign criminals taking their jobs and warnings about the security risks of a foreign power guarding your realm (from wildlings I guess).

ChaircatMiaow · 21/05/2019 08:34

knitfaster GrinGrin

JasperRising · 21/05/2019 08:34

WinterIsComingKnitFaster

Grin Grin I totally buy that!

SweetSummerchild · 21/05/2019 08:42

Also a bit of a let down how alone everyone is in the end. Brienne = unlikely to ever marry. Sansa = unlikely to ever marry, and certainly not for love if she does. Tyrion = unlikely to ever marry.

That’s looking at things through 21st century eyes. No one in this series expects to marry for love. In fact, GRRM’s examples of ‘love marriages’ are usually fairly unhappy. Doran Martell married for love and his wife went AWOL. The Prince of Dragonflies had to give up the throne to marry Jenny of Oldstones and they both died at Summerhall.

Marriages are arranged to form political alliances. None of the characters would expect anything else.

SweetSummerchild · 21/05/2019 08:43

kungfupannda I agree with everything you said.

TraffordTansy · 21/05/2019 08:47

@kungfupannda - spot on!

agirlhasnonameX · 21/05/2019 08:55

t the end was badly executed and way too rushed
I think this sums up ep6 for me. I don't know what they where on when they thought '6eps should sum it up nicely.' I know it was longer episodes, they are bored of it, has to end sometime, Star Wars, but a few more episodes surely would have been manageable.

Ep6 should have been at least two episodes, showing Dany ruling with an Iron Fist and everyone plotting/worried, then after her death a bigger thing made of the unsullied taking control of policing KL and some scenes with Bran possibly commenting on the destruction of KL that allowed him to become King. I think issues should have been a little harder to resolve than a 2min speech by Tyrion and it would have been more emotional to have seen Jon really struggle- although I could never buy into their romance anyway, it never felt right.

TheLoneWolfDies · 21/05/2019 08:56

I assume the Dothraki were paid off

They wouldnt have needed to pay them off. Once their khal is dead the next strongest becomes khal and they move on, as they did when khal drogo died

CodenameVillanelle · 21/05/2019 09:01

The end of the lord of the rings trilogy wraps up all the loose ends in tedious detail. I remember I kept thinking it must be about to finish and it just kept going. We don't always need every storyline played out in front of us IMO.

SweetSummerchild · 21/05/2019 09:05

I’ve been thinking about the pacing of the season and the storytelling in general.

Most of the seeds of the show’s decline started in seasons 5 and 6. Storylines were still very rushed and superficial, but there were many more characters separated by vast geographical distances so the rapid speed of each plot line wasn’t noticeable.

Characters only ever interacted with other main characters or ‘nothings’. The groundwork was never laid to add depth to future storylines.

Jaime is a perfect example. In seasons 5 and 6 he went to Dorne and the entirety of Dorne was populated by Sandsnakes, Doran Martell and extras. The Quentyn and Arianne storylines were cut so we have no Daynes, Yronwoods, Manwoodys etc. Nobody cared because all that was ‘just boring anyway’.

In season 6 he went to Riverrun and back in a span of 10 minutes show time. He interacted with Bronn, Blackfish (who died), Edmure (who disappeared), Brienne and Pod. Brienne and Pod’s appearance at Riverrun was pointless - the only thing that happened was Pod got punched in the face in an amusing way. In the books Jaime sorted out a dispute between the Brackens and Blackwoods, we were introduced to Strongboar Crakehall and Red Ronnet Connington. No one cared. Jaime’s arc in Feast was just boring, right?

The Vale lords were introduced in seasons 4/5, but by season 6 the only named characters were Sweetrobin and Bronze Yohn Royce. No Nestor Royce, no Lyn Corbray, no Redforts. Who cared? These characters were only invested in Sansa’s story arc and she’s boring anyway.

Sam arrived at the Citadel via Hornhill and we had a conflict with Randyll Tarly. It was pretty clear from the moment he arrived in Oldtown that the plot was going nowhere fast. The Citadel was a cross between the Unseen University and something out of Brazil (the film, not the country). No Hightowers, no Faceless Men, no glass candles.

Don’t get me started on the Iron Islands.

Fast forward to season 7 and main characters all start to converge on one or two locations. Suddenly, the rest of the world ceases to exist because the groundwork and worldbuilding had never taken place and viewers didn’t care. Everything that had been cut was just ‘boring’ anyway.

Cersei had no opposition because no opposition had ever been established and the entirety of the Reach had been blown up in the Sept. The only named lord was Randyll Tarly. She could ‘requisition’ the Golden Company and they could arrive unopposed because no one had been established to oppose them.

Likewise, cutting the ‘boring’ fAegon plot meant that Dany was ridiculously powerful and unopposed, which could only be undone by having her ‘forget’ about the Ironborn three times.

So that’s how we end up with a dragonpit containing about 9 characters - including Gendry Baratheon (never Rivers), the most pointless character ever reintroduced. There was nobody else in Westeros that mattered, because they’d been cut in earlier seasons.

Suddenly the fans have turned on the show. It’s pretty ironic as many of these (and the very well-known critics) were the very same people who were congratulating D&D in earlier seasons for cutting out ‘boring’ storylines.

Having 10 episodes would not have helped. What the hell would they have filled them with - more cock jokes and drinking games? That’s all that was left.

agirlhasnonameX · 21/05/2019 09:06

Also not sure I buy into the moral being that nurture beats nature. Dany was 'pure blood' and Jon wasn't. Obviously there is a part to play in their upbringings, but I think ultimately the main moral is 'don't shag your family.' Jons coin flipped and landed on Stark.

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