Dr Who, was that a load of cack or what?

[Chirpygirl]

That wasn't worth bribing DH to go up and see to DD for.
Am thoroughly disappointed in Russell t Davies!

Bookwormmum, you're sort of missing the whole time travel bit

As Jack walks away, the Face of Boe doesn't yet exist so can't be dead. The FoB doesn't die for about another 5 billion years or so.

The Dr doesn't rewind time really, he fixes the paradox that allowed the future and the present to exist at the same time. Time reverts itself to the moment before the paradox event happened.

singersgirl - the aides and stuff didn't reappear as the ship was the only place where time didn't revert. As the Dr said 'eye of the storm'.

Hence all those on board shared the memories of that whole year's worth of events that no one else on Earth had a clue about.

Oh, OK, that makes sense. Well, as much sense as any of it....

Our recording missed the last...dunno...5 seconds? V. annoying.

OK so...Messaniac Dr....silly.

Small shrunken doctor...kept thinking Dobby (in Harry P).

Capt. Jack being the Face of Boe...GENIUS! Sheer brilliance and I really Did Not See It Coming.

So...is Martha leaving? Kinda hope so. Bring Back Sally Sparrow - she had major potential.

loved capn jack as face of bo
Thought it was the weakest episode of the three parter but still passable. Didn't like the computer generated shrunken super ancient doctor though- it looked shoddy and wrong.

moo, precis of last 10 seconds or so - big banging noise, bloody big bow of ship through wall of Tardis, life preserver thingy with 'Titanic' written on it.

Words on screen, back in Christmas episode.

Saint George...ta for that. Was Martha still in the Tardis when the Titanic came crashing in? I don't think she's leaving (more's the pity).

No, she left, but left him with her mobile phone and made him promise to answer when she calls.

Oh agree agree agree, moo. Sally Sparrow was great. Really not warming to Martha, I must say. I'm trying hard because dr who passionate boy doesn't like it when i criticise his favourite programme but she just doesn't measure up to Rose, imo.

Wasn't Jack born in the 51st century? Think they said that in The Empty Child.

Yes Pixel. Then he joined the Time Agency so scooted around all over the place.

Would love Sally Sparrow to be the next companion, cheered when Martha left, booed when she came back, cheered when she left for the second time!!!!

LOved the FOB thing, just because he can;t reapply his makeup in the test tube!!

Was I the only one thinking of Mike Baldwin and Ken Barlow during the Master's death scene?

Martha fab!

JS/Master fab but at Js not coming back but like the idea of a mistress

Jack/FoB I had read elsewhere and didn't like the idea but did think it was great

DT/DR reborn

Doctor, doctor, doctor

Jack came from the 51st C where he was the first person from Boesomewhere to join the time agency and became a poster boy (obviously ) and was known as FoB!
When with the Time agency he lost 2 years of memories so left and became a conman (alias Capt Jack after the real one dies in WW2) and meets Dr and Rose, travels with them until the Daleks kill him and Rose brings him back with the time vortex.Dr abandons him but his wrist thingy takes him back to 1892 from where he waits for the DR (and takes charge of Torchwood Cardiff) until the Dr returns he clings to the Tardis and goes to the year 6 billion.

I must have misheard the bit about 1892 then .

Who is Sally Sparrow? (was she the one who was in the angel statues episode?)

Martha is good but def. an unrequited love interest - so te doc has kept her at arm's length having had his heart broken with Rose. It wuold make him look sooooo shallow were he to fall for the next comapnion to come along!

V. strong religious overtones in this episode! I'm sure Dr Who will crop up in many a sermon over the next few weeks!

it was very good, i thought, though possibly too much action and not enough cleverness.

What I am NOT sure about is whether the doctor planned the death of the master knowing that it wouldn't actually work (lucy picks up the ring at the end, am assuming that this is where the master's soul is contained a la start trek 3) or not.

Am assuming so, since he generally does know stuff.

So did the doctor, with all his clever talk of keeping the master as a pet (which after all is what he did to the doctor) make it so that the master chose not to reincarnate, knowing lucy would kill him and then pick up his ring?

OR has the master/lucy outsmarted him?

The fact that he didn't remove the ring himself suggests the former, i think.

I think that the Dr didn't know/think about the ring.

Why did Lucy have a black eye? Was that the Master being cruel to her ?

yes mrs who, i think that is the general idea, which is why she shot him.

oh the doctor always knows things though sometimes he pretends not to

he wouldn't not know about the ring. he embalmed the body. how would he not have noticed a ring with time lord symbols (I presume) on it.

It'll be a set up

No, Martha wasn't in the TARDIS when the Titanic came in. She'll be back - just not as a regular. In fact, she may even be at the Hub of activity...

It'll be another Xmas special with no companion or one-shot companion stand-in, I reckon - then, hopefully, back to "reset" 2007 to pick up Sally Sparrow!

Or maybe he'll pick up Kate Winslet from the TItanic...

Incidentally, a SPECIAL geek house-point to anyone who can point out the already-existing connection between RTD and Kate Winslet.

BTW, there is a precedent for the Master surviving incineration. He'll be back... with any luck, as The Mistress!

No idea re RTD and KW. Glad Martha is not going to be a regular companion any more, she was a bit pathetic.

Thought the messianic resurrection was awful. I like the idea that a story is so powerful it can defeat evil (spreading the gospel very Christian, but that's OK). And using the Archangel network was a fine cod-sciency Dr Who thing. But you could have done that without going completely overboard.

Is RTD born again or something? I would never have thought so but the story line made me wonder...

No, no, RTD is a total humanist/ atheist - has said so in interviews.

I liked the wife. Thought she would be pivotal esp. after that shot of her with a black eye which was just thrown away at the time. Hope to hear more about her - why she was happy to go along with the Master despite knowing his plans.