TRANSKIDS: ITS'S TIME TO TALK

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Currently on channel 4. started at 10pm, anyone watching?

What Antitrans message?

Any anti trans message.

No one has suggested giving anti trans messages to kids though?

Where has this come from?

Those like Breakyourselfagainstmystones child have had mental health services taken away from them becuase of the current wave of TRA's having no understanding or time for kids with gender dysphoria and have pushed for it's removal to better suit men with fetishes.

The apparent "terfs" are currently trying to keep what is left of this in place.

MissMarple - the only person on this thread who has called parents of trans children abusive is you.

Nobody else.

I agree that it's a shame that none of the advocacy or support organisations were featured in the programme but they were asked and chose not to participate.

So by that token, if Mermaids/Stonewall etc refuse to debate, they shut down discussion.

That's not acceptable and it is doing none of us any favours - not least our children. The fact that the lovely transman who Stella interviewed on the balcony had no idea what treatment pathway they were on is deeply concerning.

And none of us know what the long-term effects of puberty blockers followed by cross-sex hormones is. And why are so many young women identifying as trans when most reliable stats demonstrate that men who seek to transition outnumber women 2:1.

These are important questions and they need to be asked.

Just signing in here as I’ve already read the other thread. I thought this programme was excellent, and sad, and terrifying.

It's bizzare that the charities purporting to be supporting trans children and families actively block research
Can you imagine a cancer charity doing that?
Don't we want robust research to ensure children get the appropriate support and intervention

Stellaomalley I thought the programme was really good.

Dione "Listen to the individual young person. Respect them and treat them with care. They are struggling to find/become themselves."

I totally believe in listening to young people. However, not everything anyone says, about themselves or others, is necessarily true. The internet has allowed young people to tap into a script and many stories are very similar. That's not to say they are all not true, of course.

But when you hear from de-transitioners you realise what they have said in the past just may not have been true for them but felt true at the time.

"Pushing an anti trans message risks alienating them, they will stop listening, it can drive them further into Trans ideology. " I completely agree.

OrchidInTheSun "And why are so many young women identifying as trans when most reliable stats demonstrate that men who seek to transition outnumber women 2:1." I don't know the figures at the moment but I think if you break it down by age group the figures for under 20s would probably be top heavy on natal females and older transitioners top heavy on natal males. The thing that has changed is the under 2nd demographic so tgis mist be investigated! IMHO.

I have listened to young people who have detransitioned they are often the ones I listened to as they transitioned.

I have listened to young people who have detransitioned they are often the ones I listened to as they transitioned.

Has that lead you to any conclusions Dione?

I totally understand the attitude that opposing a teenager often just makes them dig their heels more and alienates them.

But if you suspect that transitioning will have a detrimental outcome, that they can't see, what can you do?

Because a double mastectomy, infertility and loss of a sex life are huge consequences.

I have heard anecdotally so many trans people saying that they have had problems with hormones or had to come off them because of health reasons. This is something I've never seen fully explored and it would be interesting if people were honest enough to admit the problems they've had so that others would be going ahead with eyes wide open if they decided to take these hormones.

Again with the surgery is it would be very interesting to find out exactly how successful they are before we encourage these thousands of young girls to spend their lives pretending to be men without the necessary tackle perhaps.

DioneTheDiabolist

"I have listened to young people who have detransitioned they are often the ones I listened to as they transitioned."

Can you explain more please?

Listening is a great skill and we could all do it better I suspect.

Well done to Stella for daring to make something to buck the trend of trans-at-all-costs. I have a 15yo DD who spent 18 months convinced she was a boy. She has a diagnosis of ASD and OCD. I went to local CAMHS mental health days which included presentations from Mermaids. Any questioning was immediately slammed down. I dared to ask “how do you know if your child is actually trans or if this is a phase?” and was told in no uncertain terms that there is no such thing as a phase and that no child would ever say they were trans without it being true, and they could not possibly just be confused.

Well, 2 years on and DD2 is still DD2 and no longer refers to them self as “he”, though she continues to wear boxers as they are more comfortable. Which is not an indication of anything other than her sensory issues. She hates periods as she finds the pain and potential mess disgusting, but she now realises that it is a dislike of her changing body not that she is male.

I do believe that there are transgender people who need support, but not in the vast numbers who currently self-identify. More investigation is needed into the root cause of each individual’s situation, and also the strong link between ASD and transgender should be explored so as to know how best to handle AS teenagers during puberty.

Housemum any tips you could share on coping with tgis phenomimun (here or by pm) would be most gtayrfukly received, please.

I found it quite interesting, maybe if Stella Macarthy was a child in these times, she would have been referred to the Tavistock and probably put on hormone blockers to halt puberty, and be told that she is a transboy, but that was not necessarily the case. This is a dangerous road to go down, as children are ever so young to be making such big and lasting decisions about their lives, can't they wait until they are adults and can make more of an informed decision. Someone put a picture of a pants packer for a primary school aged transboy on a discussion thread, how awful and inappropriate. It looked like an adult penis, not something a 6 year old should have in their pants.

I found the behaviour of the transactivists at the end of the programme quite accurate tbh, bullying aggressive and trying to shut down reasonable debate. That is why natal women are campaigning for their voices to be heard through Fairplay for Women. These TRAs demand respect, but where are their respect for women. This is a free country whereby debate should be encouraged. It is not black and white, there are shades of grey.

I found it very uncomfortable and quite scarey too, that Stella raising these important questions was shut down. They are playing russian roulette with children's lives so that they will fit a neat tick box, ahhh trans, which is not necessarily true. It is worrying that there are a high number of children with ASD who are trans and encouraged to transition. Why! Maybe because they do not fit the ridgid gender stereotypes of their biological sex, maybe they have underlying mental health issues that need to be addressed first.

Very true Aeroflotgirl

I think I easbmosy worried by the child st the start on th computer. I think 13 and I'm blockers since 11. I think blockers are probably one if the worst things about all this! A chance to develop and grow out of it denied to some.

The brain is still developing at 11 ( even st q8 and I think still at 25) so how can an 11 year old know anything for sure.

I also think passing should be over. In that it should no longer matter is a trans person passes. So the pressure of blockers to block nature should not come up.

IMHO this scandal of medicated kids will hit big one day.

Has anyone had any experience of Mermaids? Do they affirm everything? My fear is that charity or doctors are just affirming anyone and there is no critical thinking about whether it is true for that person or not.

I agree Italiangreyhound nobody knows the long term affects of these blockers, how they affect the body and whether it will affect their fertility later on in the rush to medicate these young kids who do not have the maturity to make life changing decisions about themselves. I was like Stella Macarthy as a child exactly, but as puberty came I kind of moved on and my desire to be a boy lessened with age. I understood that you can be Female and not adhere to the rigid gender stereotypes. I love short hair, masculine clothes, I do a male domininated sport, but I am a woman and happy to be one.

For those who want to be the opposite gender still when they are an adult, they are free to do as they please as they are an adult.

I went round the playground as a child (infant school age) telling everyone I didn’t like my name and was going to change it to Becky. I spent months doing his according to my mum. No one called me Becky or agreed with me, I just was told that I had a name and that was that.

I’m still not called Becky!
So how the hell do we allow young children who, as I was taught at school, are unable to view the world from outside their own mind to make a life changing, body altering decision? I think that it’s not until late childhood that the ability to understand other people see things differently develops, and not until late teens/early 20s that the part of the brain develops fully regarding risk-taking behaviour and understanding the possible consequences. (Frontal cortex?)

I know, young children are not able to make life changing decisions about their bodies. Why can't Mia be Ben and wear masculine type clothes and have their hair short, and be who they are comfortable being, and not take these drugs, and vice versa. It is the desire for society to fit people neatly into categories, as the latter does not fit neatly into a box. Later when they are an adult and fully developed and mature, can they make that full transition if they wish. Children are discovering who they are, and it can change when they are older, very dangerous to give them medication that can potentially harm them later on.

I know of at least 4 females who were very boy-like as younger children but as soon as puberty hit/they started secondary (as often coincides), they reverted to more girl-like appearance and demeanour. So if they wore boy’s clothes, they reverted to girls’, grew hair longer, made more female friends etc. All the parents allowed them to embrace their boy sides rather than force them into female gender roles (although may have secretly wished they were more girly - I don’t know!).
What I’m trying to say is, many young girls may present as ‘extreme tomboys’ and there is no need for any discussion of trans issues.