TRANSKIDS: ITS'S TIME TO TALK

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Currently on channel 4. started at 10pm, anyone watching?

Fizzingwithdisbelief as a parent to an adopted child I find that statement very unhelpful. If all trans presenting children were taken into care the system would probably break! Quite apart from the fact that most parents of trans presenting kids are probably doing their level best.

"Wisdom is what is needed. Not ideology" care to explain what you mean?

heartbroken and tired, the involvement of Social Services sounds like hyperbole to me.
But, just to be devil's avocado for a minute, why wouldn't you (not you personally!) let your son wear a skirt, if we all agree that gender roles are a social construct?

Not point of thread but loving ‘devil’s avocado’

Puberty hasn't changed, all I see is adults making a fashion statement about having a child who they want to become a transsexual. Childhood is precious and short lasting, parents who capitulate to this trend should have their child taken into care.

A fashion statement?

Are you kidding?

Yes it's fashionable to have a child so upset and depressed about the body they are in that they want to hurt themselves.

It's just so on trend to listen to your child cry every night because the only way they can get to where they want to be is a lifetime of drugs and surgeries.

The best parts, for me, are the 2 schools my child has had to leave, the bullying, the complete lack of mental health help, the being pushed down the route of drugs, the numerous social service malicious reports because my 'family' is embarrassed, oh and the fact that I'm probably going to lose my house soon as I prioritised getting private therapy for my child over anything else. Gotta keep up with the latest trends after all.

Please look a little deeper before spouting your of offensive opinions

@TigersTeeth

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/10/04/parents-wont-let-son-wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/amp/

I think some parents might not allow their male children to wear skirts over similar reasons I would probably have... fear of bullying, fear of confusion for them, fear of judgement from others, and fear of my child being treated differently to other students by teachers

I think it would be lovely if a boy who wanted to wear a skirt (as a boy, not trans) could, that's an ideal world where gender stereotypes aren't dictating. But we don't live in an ideal world (yet) that my fears I think exist for most parents about sending their kid to school as a boy in a skirt

Don't know why when girls wear trousers they don't just get rid of skirts in uniform altogether though

@heartbroken
But that's exactly the attitude that forces children into declaring they must be the 'wrong' gender! It all kicked off over grey socks for my child,which were boys' uniform, not girls'. It was hard when she first wanted to wear boys' underwear, but actually, she was still the same person, just in different clothes.

Breakyourselfagainstmystones

TigersTeeth "It was hard when she first wanted to wear boys' underwear, but actually, she was still the same person, just in different clothes." So very true.

Hi Stella here. Delighted most of you like the film. We put a lot of work into it. I'm a big fan of mumsnet so was hoping for your approval!

Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk

Thank you Stella it was an excellent documentary, they're discussing it here too

the complete lack of mental health help

And the TRA's have the audacity to make it even harder by trying to introduce self ID, what a horrible time for your child!

Well done, Stella! You did a great job.

And the TRA's have the audacity to make it even harder by trying to introduce self ID, what a horrible time for your child!

We were doing ok before the TRAs got involved. Now the mental health help has been taken away and we are struggling a huge amount.

They do not speak for my family, they do not speak for many of us, their voices are louder because we want to quietly get on with what we are doing and be supportive and not draw attention and make things harder for our children.

It's an absolute nightmare.

Stella thank you for this. It was so powerful and raised so many important points.

It's disgusting
It's like your identity has been hijacked.

Made me cry watching it. Those poor children/young adults who change their minds or simply realise that the future they were told was available to them (to change sex) simply isn’t biologically possible. Thank you for such a considered and constructive programme.

@Stellaomalley you might want to check out this thread too www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3430608-Stella-OMalley-Trans-Kids-Its-Time-To-Talk

thanks Stella. Job well done and so important to get other perspectives out there

Excellent work, Stella. Thank you.

Sorry Stella, you came over as a genuinely lovely person but the documentary as a whole was not well made, and hardly chose a wide range of opinions on the subject.

The "debate" fiasco was a shambles on both sides chopping & changing between sound bites that gave neither party in the "debate" a chance to really speak to you.

For those calling this a "trend" and the trans parents abusive please have some compassion for those with children in terrible distress & leave their families to seek professional help and advice for their own child without vilifying them for doing the best they can.

It is not a one size fits all approach, and gender specialist around the world are recommending a case by case approach to find the best option for each child with the minimum of medical intervention.

It is SO difficult to understand if you are not part of a family going through the process, but that's OK, just please leave the families of trans kids to get the best care for THEIR child.

That would be all well and good MissMarples if parents could be sure their DC are getting appropriate care and advice. There are too many unknown factors here for anyone to be sure of that and too much refusal to discuss by people with unknown agendas, which is why programmes like this exist and are necessary.

Thank you, Stella.

It's not about lack of compassion for the families, far from it. There's big money in leading young people down a road of drugs and surgeries and I highly doubt the people pushing this from the top are genuinely bothered about their wellbeing.

Stella - I think the program achieved its purpose which is to start a debate about the other side of transitioning that has been suppressed . Well done and thank you.

What I mean when I say Wisdom is what is needed. Not ideology. is that it is important to have an understanding of teenage issues (so many "bosses" making demands, rapidly changing body, hormonal surges, little autonomy) and conflict (Identity vs Role Confusion). Listen to the individual young person. Respect them and treat them with care. They are struggling to find/become themselves.

Pushing an anti trans message risks alienating them, they will stop listening, it can drive them further into Trans ideology. It is counter productive as it loses sight of the individual and you become yet another adult blaming them and making demands of them instead of listening and understanding them.