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The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 (UK Pace) - thread 4

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CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:19

Hi all

Here is the next thread for those who are watching The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 on Channel 4. Please don't put any spoilers on this - the other thread (for those in other countries who are watching ahead of the UK) is:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3239228-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-SPOILERS-VIEWING-AHEAD-OF-UK-SREENING

Someone on the last thread asked for a link to the previous threads:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3216737-The-Handmaid-s-Tale-Season-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3269725-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-2

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3290403-The-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-UK-Pace-thread-3?pg=38

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CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:24

Does anyone else find it weird that June so rarely refers to her posting before the Waterfords'? In the book, I think she mentions that she finds the Ceremony much less unpleasant with Fred than with the previous guy but in this TV series, the last posting was only referred to in S1 E1.

I know that she probably doesn't want to think back to unpleasant things but it seems weird that she has only really (as far as I know) clashed with Aunt Lydia in her second posting. This may be because Serena is much harder work than the previous Wife.

Plus, it seems weird that she never runs into the couple from the previous posting. Perhaps they were in another part of Gilead.

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CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:25

Sorry, too many "weirds". I was pondering this while clearing the garden of brambles (never ending job).

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iheartmichellemallon · 17/07/2018 23:25

Thanks for the thread Cru - great show & these threads really help to see the nuances & appreciate it a lot more.

IcedPurple · 17/07/2018 23:27

I know that in the book Offred had previously been posted to a different family, but I thought that in the TV series the Waterfords were her first posting?

chipsandcurrysaucemonster · 17/07/2018 23:30

How many episodes left in this series?

IcedPurple · 17/07/2018 23:34

There is a total of 13 episodes so 4 more?

CruCru · 17/07/2018 23:35

From what I remember, Serena said "So Whatshisname didn't work out then?" to June in S1E1 and then said something like "Well at least you'll know what to do then. The last Handmaid was hopeless" (not exactly that but along those lines).

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MrStarkIDontFeelSoGood · 17/07/2018 23:45

Swinging in

Yes I agree that in respect to the postings
they have largely dispensed with that sense of impending doom that all the Handmaids had that if they failed to conceive within 3 postings they'd die

Aridane · 18/07/2018 01:06

Place marking

MonkeySlutIsBlown · 18/07/2018 01:10
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Sassenach85 · 18/07/2018 03:22

Place marking! 👍🏻

Cheerio99 · 18/07/2018 03:36

Place marking.

I wish you clever people had been around when I had to write an A level essay on this book. Grin You’re all incredibly inciteful and I’m really loving the discussions.

TheLastNigel · 18/07/2018 06:47

I can't stop thinking about Luke in that episode. The full horror of coming face to face with the people who are incarcerating and raping your wife and being totally in able to do anything about it. At first I was thinking 'but surely Canada would do more something' but then of course they wouldn't-In the same way we don't do anything about proven to be awful regimes currently.

Roussette · 18/07/2018 07:48

Thank you Cru for the new thread, I am enjoying them lots because I do miss bits whilst I'm wating (although it's better now I put on subtitles!)

I'm so glad Luke has shown the real anger he's feeling, when before we were all a bit ho...hummm when he didn't show the necessary upset or rage after the bomb as to whether June was alive or dead. It was inside him very much.

Invisimamma · 18/07/2018 07:52

I feel like Nick’s last chat with June was ‘goodbye.’ Eden saw the letters in his flat which have now appeared in Canada, it’s only a matter of time until she makes the connection and he’s on the wall (or manages to escape!?).

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 18/07/2018 07:55

Before the letters were shared, though, it sounded as if Canada was on the verge of doing business with Gilead. Maybe even starting to send refugees back.

After, Canada had to listen to the public outrage. Luke achieved that much.

CurbsideProphet · 18/07/2018 08:04

Yes Canada was ready to make some sort of trade deal. In the book they started to send back those who escaped from Gilead.

I want to know where Gilead gets its weapons from. Are they making them in factories, or are they buying them from another country like the UK?

Both Nick and June seem like they're preparing for something. That last scene looked like the end of their tryst?

Hygge · 18/07/2018 08:15

@Cheerio I don't think I would have done justice to the book if I'd had to think about it for my A levels.

I don't think at that age I was thinking about this kind of thing in the same way as I am now.

I was thinking about the letters. Eden might not actually know the letters made it to Canada. I can't see Gilead advertising that, it won't be on their evening news.

They won't want people in Gilead to know Jezebels even exists, let alone that women are escaping or writing letters.

Also, perhaps the bulk of the refugees from Gilead have come in in dribs and drabs and have been processed in centres and I doubt most people were even aware of them in a personal way. They won't have been much on the news or in the papers in a way that mattered.

Refugees are arriving in places every day, including the UK, and we don't even hear about it on a daily basis, and if we do it's rare that we hear directly from the people themselves. We see their picture but we don't hear their voice.

But then all of a sudden a large volume of letters arrived, all in one go, all saying the same thing, and all over the internet just as a controversial visit was taking place. Headline news and all in the voices of the women who wrote them.

The general public will have heard from those women in a way they have never heard from the people who have arrived from Gilead in person. And it made a difference.

TheHandmaidsTail · 18/07/2018 08:21

Cynically I think that Canada knew exactly what was going on but would have traded with them anyway. Like the uk does with many countries with appalling human rights.

However the letters threw everything into a public domain and do the government had to act. Otherwise the human cost would have been ignored.

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 18/07/2018 08:31

Both Nick and June seem like they're preparing for something. That last scene looked like the end of their tryst?

I thought Nick was ending it because once he'd met June's husband he couldn't carry on.

seasure · 18/07/2018 08:37

I actually feel bad for Eden and think Nick could do with showing her a little kindness . She must be homesick, lonely and confused .

EvilTwins · 18/07/2018 09:23

I don’t think Eden is in a position to know about the letters getting to Canada. I think she’s in there to show us the next generation of Gilead women, and initially I thought she was pious and consciously committed to the regime. However, having seen her with Isaac, I think something will happen with her to show that the rules of Gilead cannot push out natural feelings. We’ve focused on women who have had to make changes, but Eden has grown up with this as her normality. It’s an interesting nature/nurture question - it was clear that she enjoyed the attention from Isaac and that her natural feelings were a stronger motivation than her “training”. Nick isn’t horrible to her but he would be hypocritical to treat her as a husband when a) he’s in love with June and b) he’s very aware that she’s a child.

eyycarumba · 18/07/2018 09:31

I feel sorry for Nick in the whole Eden thing, he grew up with rules about underage girls and now he's being forced to participate. He is being cold with her, but he must be knocked sick at the thought of being intimate with a 15 yr old. it must also be quote annoying having to live with someone you don't want to be with/whilst pining for someone else.

TeenTimesTwo · 18/07/2018 09:40

Place-marking because I find the comment so interesting and insightful and they are adding to my enjoyment of the series immensely.

Re weapons comment upthread. I would just presume they have access to the whole of the US army arsenal, plus the 100s of 1000s of guns the US people owned. Plus the manufacturers?

TheGoldenWolfFleece · 18/07/2018 09:52

Anyone else getting really twitchy about any mention of spoilers!?

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