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The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 (UK Pace) - thread 2

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CruCru · 05/06/2018 20:29

Hi all

Here is the next thread for those who are watching The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 on Channel 4. Please don't put any spoilers on this - the other thread (for those in other countries who are watching ahead of the UK) is www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3239228-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-SPOILERS-VIEWING-AHEAD-OF-UK-SREENING.

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MargoLovebutter · 27/06/2018 16:42

I wonder how scared you would have to be for your own survival and safety that you would forcibly burn the arm of another woman? I think if I thought my DC were at risk in any way, I might.

When you think of what was done to the Jews in concentration camps, you have to wonder how so many people could not just have been complicit but actively taken part in such awful torture and cruelty.

I think it takes less than we think to make monsters of us.

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 27/06/2018 18:05

I think it takes less than we think to make monsters of us.

Absolutely

AmberCurtain · 27/06/2018 18:20

It's quite a scary thought that we all have that potential in us!

Flaskfan · 27/06/2018 18:22

I'm quite hung up on the serena lady macbeth links now. All that 'if you were as man' stuff is lm. The not h having kids (although lm implies she'd had at least one, although none living); being the brains and then cast aside.being more emotionally tough initially. Wonder if she'll share the same fate.

Hygge · 27/06/2018 18:35

I'm just watching Sunday's episode again, with the really awkward Handmaid's tea party.

Serena has just asked Ofglen what she and Ofred used to talk about on their walks and Ofglen is facing her so we can't see Ofglen's face

Serena just stops in mid-sentence and stares, and she stays like that even after Ofglen turns away.

I really hope that Ofglen just opened her mouth so Serena could see her tongue was gone. Hopefully with the same expression on her face that June had when Serena was strangling her.

Serena looks totally shocked and I hope it's because Ofglen confronted her with some of the horror of Gilead.

CruCru · 27/06/2018 18:50

There are some Handmaids who really believe in the regime though. In S1E1, there’s a bit where both June and Emily realise that neither believe - Emily said “You were so fricken pious”. So for those who believe and who successfully birth children, perhaps becoming an Aunt would be a possibility.

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CruCru · 27/06/2018 19:02

This is filling up fast so here's a new thread.

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Imchlibob · 16/07/2018 07:21

Please could someone link to the first thread?

Thread 3 of this kindly links back to this thread 2 right here, but I can't find a link to thread 1 and haven't been able to see it via advanced search or looking at the thread titles in the telly addicts topic either.

Imchlibob · 24/07/2018 07:31

Just in case anyone else wants this info in future - I found the first thread here.

Just got to the end of episode 6 now and have been reading through the threads - will stop when I get to a point where I am risking spoilers and will hopefully catch up with the rest of the conversation.

Some interesting thoughts here so far. I feel my own thoughts belong here rather than on thread 4 where the conversation is 5 episodes ahead of me.

I went through a bit of a phase of reading all the holocaust memoires I could as a teen. There's a lot of resonance. Yes there were marriages in the concentration camps. Yes women were unspeakably cruel to other women. When there is a hierarchy and everyone is in terror for their life and you can make yourself a tiny bit safer by grabbing a position of power, and will only retain that position and keep your life if you treat those below you in the hierarchy abominably or you will be removed from that position and suffer the worst of fates - then yes you do what it takes to survive. I remember the afterword of one of the memoires from a survivor of a death camp. She acknowledged that her survival only came about because many of the actions she took would have brought about the deaths of others. I felt no judgement towards her - who knows what I would have done in the same situation. How can you expect someone stripped of their humanity, abused terrified and treated most inhumanely for years, to then make an ethical decision?

Obviously Gilead hasn't been around for very long so there can't be many "retired" handmaids yet but there must be some who were in their late 30s and still reasonably fertile when Gilead started but now are approaching menopause. Would they be kept as handmaids even as the risk of Downs Syndrome and other chromosome issues became greater? Have we been shown Gilead's treatment of disabled people - I don't remember seeing any. Now of course there are women who have all sorts of disabilities and who are fertile - would Gilead use the fertility of someone with Cerebral Palsy for example (which isn't a genetic condition so any baby would have as much chance of being healthy as with any other mother)?
But I would expect that once they were no longer considered breeding stock handmaids would be given a choice of becoming an Aunt or a Martha - and refusing both would mean the Colonies.

I noted that neither Nick nor June tried to explain to Eden that just a few years ago having sex with someone as young as her was a crime. Presumably talking about before would also be a crime.

The bedsheet with a hole for the wedding night is depicted in Like Water For Chocolate but it is a debunked myth that this was ever a traditional practice even in the most orthodox versions of mainstream religion. I guess it's entirely plausible that Gilead (and possibly some real modern day cults) might choose to act on the basis of such a myth as a demonstration of piety.

I did think June's line to Nick "Oh you have to duck someone you don't want to? Poor you" was excellent - yes they are acknowledging that Nick is being used by the state and this coercion is wrong but several orders of magnitude below what happens to handmaids.

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