Corrie - New Producer, New hope? No spoilers please

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Thought I'd start a new one as we're not far off and there'll be much to talk about this week, I I fear.

I loved it.
I’ve been really disappointed with corrie for past couple of years and stopped watching for a few months but last nights episode was so well balanced really enjoyed it. Johnny and Jenny are both fantastically well acted characters. Jenny putting the passports away and looking out of the window silently was so well done.
Thought it was good how it showed so many reactions to the news.
I actually really liked the Gail part.

I hope this doesn't come across as crass, but I couldn't remember if Corrie had addressed suicide with someone actually successfully taking their own life before, or if this has been done in another soap before? Just interested as I thought it was very well done.

to all affected.

Please don't let the scriptwriters fall into their usual ways of letting the suicide be forgotten by everyone a couple of weeks after it happened.
This.
It's a real issue that touches on so many lives and it would be disrespectful and insensitive to simply forget about it. It would be unrealistic if the impact on Aidan's family and friends isn't evident for a long time to come.

AlanrickmansRightFoot Yes, there are several listed on the wiki page, all harrowing of course, but as far as I know this is the first to have had such a long and calculated build-up, without the character's intentions being immediately obvious.

puppymonkey there have been subtle clues, how he was after op, giving things away, trying to make sure everyone happy. It would have been to blatant if he's been raped one david. Unfortunately this is what suicide looks like, you have no idea and only when it happens do you look for the clues. This has been incredibly well written and SW was incredible on Monday night, that is what it is, no warning, putting a brave face on and doing what you need to do. He obviously saw no point, it doesn't have to be money worry or love breakdowns, he just knew it was pointless and chose to leave the way he wanted.

I think there haven't been that many suicides in Corrie. I think it's a diffocult and triggering subject. Also a lot of younger people would be around when it is on the early slots, so not appropriate viewing.

Way back at the start of the 70's ( I think) a GI, Joe Donelli shot himself. In the late 70's I think Janet Barlow, Ken's 2nd wife who he was separated from od'd on sleeping pills when he wouldn't reconcile and I think more recently Katie Harris deliberately didn't take the pills to control her diabetes and fell into a coma and died. I suppose Hayley committed a form of suicide.

I seem to remember in the B&W days a young girl in a room share tried to take her own life and my mum switching off the TV - but maybe I'm wrong (or she got help in time).

Agreed that often with suicide there is no outwardly warning sign. Also, alcohol is a depressant and Aiden had been drinking beforehand. Added to the fact his father was leaving him and he had realised his ex had had his baby in secret and given her away. It all came to a head. Everything was just too much and add in the alcohol and Aiden sitting alone with his thoughts. Suicide isn’t always planned. It could have been an “in the moment” decision.

I think Aiden had planned to do it for a while. A few months back he posted a letter looking all furtive and then intercepted it of the postie before it was delivered to Johnny. At the time it seemed perhaps he was up to some financial misdeeds or the like but he intercepted the letter just after agreeing to give Carla a kidney so I suppose he postponed the deed to do that good thing first (and why he was so adamant that Kate should not be tested).

I think Aidan felt he hadn't amounted to much and had let his father down (despite Johnny rebutting it) everything had gone wrong - his tangled relationships and the hurt caused, the scope of Eva's revenge etc and even the restoration of the factory to him by Carla wasn't enough to assuage his feeling of life not being enough or him being good enough. So sad.

I think the point was made too that there had been small signs over a period of time.

I found it very moving the way they showed how it impacted on so many people - Sophie not replying to his message, Summer losing her grown-up friend, Liam losing his football buddy. That's as well as Eva's guilt - and no doubt Johnny and Jenny who will regret their plans. Well done in that it shows how such an act would affect people who would not be considered as particularly close.

Hopefully it may have encouraged someone to ask for help.

It was planned, nothing to do with eva, nothing to do with johnny, nothing to do with the factory. He just didn't want to be here, he didn't reach out for help, he didn't need it. David on the other hand did. No one should beat themselves up over another's personal decision. Hugs to everyone affected, it's painful for those left behind I can't imagine how painful and don't want to.

I agree Marches. People who commit suicide don't necessarily commit suicide because things in their life are going badly for them.

I remember reading an article about male suicide and one of the people written about said everything was going well with his life and he was on a great holiday abroad with his mates when he started to feel suicidal. The compulsion to end his life was so overwhelming he got up one morning and walked straight towards a cliff intending to throw himself off. Fortunately one of his mates saw him, twigged what was going on and grabbed him.

This is why, as the mother of young men, stories like Aiden's make my blood run cold. No obvious outward signs plus a compulsion to commit suicide that is so overwhelming it blocks all thoughts like, 'maybe I should talk to someone/I might feel different tomorrow/how will my family and friends feel' is a terrifying combination.

Suicide wasn't something I wanted to do, at the time it was something I was scared I would do.
I couldn't ask for help because it was due to a situation I was in (its not appropriate to mention it on this thread but I have spoken about it on MN quite recently)
Luckily I managed to get through it, for whatever reason, others can't.

it shows.when people ask he had everything so why do it.or he had reasons to be happy.it came out of nowhere.its shows this is an illness.you can be in the middle of a loving family and still feel alone
there can be a million reasons to laugh and you will want to cry.
you will have no reason to die to other but you want to die and have no hope.
some people can be saved.even when the decision is made.like how he held on for the kidney giving. but sometimes it is so engrained it take a lot.and it would take someone knowing the thoughts to be able to help you.especailly in men they find it very hard to remove the suicide is definite decision once its in there and plans being made.it why it needs to be made more aware of.so we can be there to look and catch people.and to take them out of the swirling spiralling thoughts.
but its what the illness and depression does.it feeds and grows and over take all else and smothers anything good.

and I think there have been signs or thing that oucld have impacted a sensitive soul.his breakup.the baby.the war with his dad and his family.what happened to his company.maria.how he was treated by those he let down at the factory. his business continuing to fail even when he had backer(the racist twats)finding out about Carla and his dad. actually there wre so many things that could have gotten to him.carla leaving.carla coming back.his dad leaving.
so amny of these thins would impact even the hardest of people.

and I think there have been signs or thing that oucld have impacted a sensitive soul.his breakup.the baby.the war with his dad and his family.what happened to his company.maria.how he was treated by those he let down at the factory. his business continuing to fail even when he had backer(the racist twats)finding out about Carla and his dad. actually there wre so many things that could have gotten to him.carla leaving.carla coming back.his dad leaving.
so amny of these thins would impact even the hardest of people.

Blue and pink. Glad I'm not only one who sees it that way. Brillo sad you felt that way, but glad you didn't want to, I know that was the key to your recovery, hugs and much admiration for being brave x

Blueskypink - my DS is happy, successful and (I think) very open with me. Worried until I could get hold of him last night though. Really made me think about the assumptions you make that people are fine.

Thank you margesimpson

The thing that played on my mind at the time was emotional blackmail, what if people thought that.
Like, "you must support me or I'll kill myself", or, "I feel suicidal, you must talk to me it the middle of the night" etc.
Of course, in hindsight you'd do it, but would you really beforehand?

I don't think that the blame can be placed on Eva and Adam because there are many reasons why someone might be suicidal. It's not black and white.

In our situation the police said that the reason my children's step sister seemed ok and happy before she died was because she had made The Decision, she was at ease with it. She had it planned for a while and knew what she was going to do.

People are very clever at hiding things, acting seemingly normal.

Only after did it make sense that she had asked for certain things just before she died, special writing paper, her favourite meal and other things.

to all who have been affected.

There should never be blame put on anyone.
Ultimately the person who did it made that decision.

Do you think we should possibly have a new thread just for discussion of this storyline?

Just asking as a few of us have personal stories to tell which may not fit with the General thread?

You might have a point Ihavebrillohair. I'm thinking about this such a lot at the moment. I keep thinking I'll just check back on that thread, now, where was it .... Coronation Street??!

Topbitch - how awful . Your comment about having made the decision so being at ease with what you're about to do really resonates. I think it might be similar to when people come to terms with a terminal diagnosis. I'm reminded of the Journalist Ruth Picardie. She wrote a blog in the Guardian about her life with terminal cancer. I found it very upsetting because I'd just had my first dc and she had very young twins. This was in the 90s but I still remember that she effectively started to withdraw from them (I hope I've not misremembered this) as it was the only way she could cope with not continuing to be in their lives. My lovely dad withdrew in the last couple of weeks of his battle with cancer too - he had come to terms with his impending death and it was like he had detached from us all and was in a different place

I suppose people who have decided to commit suicide do the same. They've effectively gone to a different place mentally and left the rest of us behind.

Sorry if I'm rambling.

A bit off the current discussion I know, but I haven't watched for months while the Phelan saga was on. Can someone tell me who David's new gf is? What happened with Shona? TIA

I'll start it and if no one's interested in posting, that's ok.