Celeb Big Brother Thread 11 - New product in the PWB shop! "Andrew's Guide to Treating Women with Respect"

[AnneEyhtMeyer]

I got them cheap. Ideal gift for Valentine's Day or Mother's Day.

my dd has a cotton wool phobia she can't stand it.

Were there any MPs with a similar voting record to hers who explained it with reference to their Muslim or Jewish beliefs? I don't remember there being a lot of Muslims in Parliament before her last term or so. There were Jewish MPs but they all seemed fairly secularised.

That also reminds me though, I thought Shane J sniping at her about religion was dickish, meant to say that too.

I think Shane J is being judged a little harshly, he's still young (yes 35 is young) and an idealist, he hasn't been worn down by experience and learned to accept and make do, but that's good, we need young idealist in the world, to help us get from 80% - 100%. Australia may have lagged behind us by a few years on legalising same sex marriage, but boy did the celebrate it when they did (unlike the U.K., where the Daily Fail still grumble about it).
Also because he doesn't get demonstrative and shouty in an argument he's reguarded as sly, which is a shame, as people are able to control their emotions during conflict differently.

Ann hasn't simply kept her views to herself, she's done things like rolling her eyes when he spoke about feeling a kinship with Wayne due to not being gay. Which was rude as fuck of her

But Ann was rolling her eyes at Ashley too and telling her they'd heard quite enough from her and told Amanda not to go on too long, which is what she was doing to Shane. Rude, yes, that's Ann for you. CBBOTS have loads of voice clips of her "I wouldn't bother", "Don't go on", "That's enough" etc. none of which were directed at Shane and have nothing to do with Shane talking about his sexuality.

Why should Ann be called out on her attitudes by the gay housemates any more than straight housemates who have sex before marriage, kids by multiple partners, "live in sin"? She's not in politics and anything she may have voted against has been passed now anyway.

Tbf i am judging Shane harshly because he is like a broken record and is obsessed with A widdy he is embarrassing himself

I just think Shane has gone from considered arguements and discussions to passive aggressive digs and gossiping

I hope Shane J has hoist himself with nhis own petard now, and he and Malika go next.

The others (apart from Wayne exposing his tiny pants to the world during the yoga- do NOT want to see that!!) and his little hissys, are fine.

Whos Lynch married to? I thought it was one of Eternal. But aspparantly hges on 2nd marraige? arew the kids hers?

Yes, Ann has been rude to more people than Shane, and your point about the expectation on gay housemates mirailis is the same one I made. Amanda and Wayne appeared to be chafing against the expectation that they have some additional responsibility, purely because of their sexual orientation. I can see why they'd feel miffed at that. Shane J is entitled to feel an obligation himself but not to decide whether and when others should.

However, the fact that Ann has been rude to other housemates too about other things doesn't mean Shane J wasn't perfectly within his rights to be annoyed that she has been rude at various mentions of his sexual orientation. It simply means the other housemates would have also been justified to be annoyed at rudeness towards them.

Oh, and Ann referring to Courtney as a chav was appalling as well. Surprised not to have heard more criticism of her using that term actually.

Oh, and Ann referring to Courtney as a chav was appalling as well.

Yet Andrew calling Anne a cunt was okay then? .

tbf I dont think Anne knows what the term actually means. theres a trerm for a particular group of people I thought meant something more innocent yet was told what it really meant. Im old too!

I think Ann's eye rolling is her refraining from voicing her views tbh. Where she might want to say, as I would, "FGS put him down/get a room/ do we really need to see/hear this?" she bites her tongue and it's an unconscious reaction to something she is uncomfortable with.
I don't think mentioning Andrew's dm and dgm was out of order tbh I think Andrew just grasped at it for a stick to beat her with. Either it pricked his conscience because dm and dgm wouldn't have been impressed and so Ann was right. Or dm and dgm wouldn't have been bothered by his behaviour and so Andrew had no need to be bothered by Ann pointing out they were watching
Ann has her views and Shane J has his but as far as I have seen it's only Shane J that is trying to foist his views on the whole house. Ann has only given her views when directly asked and the reasoning behind them (which has generally been her religious convictions) she hasn't challenged anyone on their views or tried to persuade them otherwise. I'm not sure that she would have been so harshly criticised for her religious convictions had she been of Muslim faith rather than Catholic though I doubt ch5 would have let it stand because it's not only the Catholic faith that oppose same sex marriage etc.

Yet Andrew calling Anne a cunt was okay then? .

What on earth would lead you to make that assumption? That's a complete non sequitur.

WRT chav maybe, maybe not. It's been a widely used and understood term for the past 15+ years, so I'm disinclined to assume a person using the word to refer to someone she thinks is brassy and trashy doesn't understand it.

Ann has only given her views when directly asked and the reasoning behind them (which has generally been her religious convictions) she hasn't challenged anyone on their views or tried to persuade them otherwise. I'm not sure that she would have been so harshly criticised for her religious convictions had she been of Muslim faith rather than Catholic though I doubt ch5 would have let it stand because it's not only the Catholic faith that oppose same sex marriage etc.

^^ COULDNT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF.

I find finals day a bit blah as they bring them out one by one and only do a couple of mins interview with each.

IMo they should do an eviction a day this week and the rest are few enough by last day.

Poor Shourtney. Getting offended when folk won't call him by his two names.

Righto.

Shane - you are a grade a prick.
Courtney? - you are a grade a cahnt.

HTH. Off you felch.

Me? I'm with the silly giggly women who eat chocolate biscuits in bed.

And Shane L. Your lucky, lucky family must be bursting their hearts with pride.

pram what I meant by thet was if BB had told Anne off about using that word, yet Andrew was allowed toi get away with the C word, then it would have been not right. dont know if anyone complained to ch5 or ofcom for ANdrews words or maybe that word Anne used,.

wasnt being personal to you.

My issue with Ann isn't her religious views. It's the way she puts ALL her views across, with no quarter for anyone else, and a real degree of rudeness.

I do think she tries to be kind, and sometimes succeeds. I am aware of acts of kindness in her past. But I would find her spectacularly hard to live with. She would not be impressed with my lifestyle, and I can assure you that doesn't include anything immoral! Just her unrealistic views on how life can or should be lived.

Ann has only given her views when directly asked

She's certainly found ways of making them known though, all the eye rolling and audible sighs. For some of her comments and actions not to be considered problematic, one has to do a lot of benefit of the doubt and assuming she can't help certain things. Without any actual evidence for that.

I mean, you may well be right about unconscious reactions, we have no way of knowing so I'm not saying you're wrong. Even so, that doesn't actually mean people aren't entitled to have a response to those behaviours.

WRT the mother and gran I just thought it was odd more than anything else. Andrew was pretty obviously using it as a hook to hang his wider anger on, which I think is the more significant point (and he seemed to be channelling his outrage at being nominated by so many of them towards Ann, because he didn't look that pissed off when she nominated him initially and he probably thought it would be the only one). But for all Ann knows, his mother could be an exhibitionist, or want him to get it together with Courtney, or think he ought to work towards a career in gay porn. You never know what other people are thinking!

pram what I meant by thet was if BB had told Anne off about using that word, yet Andrew was allowed toi get away with the C word, then it would have been not right.

I wasn't thinking so much of BB but rather people commenting. I hadn't thought they'd pull anyone up on the use of the word chav.

Oh, also on the subject of Shane J backtracking, he said earlier in the series to Shane L that he doesn't mind whether someone refers to him as Shane or Courtney provided they're not trying to be derogatory. But then he said he thinks Ann isn't trying to be derogatory when she refers to him as Shane in drag but doesn't like it anyway... so which is it? He seems to do a certain amount of saying one thing and acting another.

"But for all Ann knows, his mother could be an exhibitionist, or want him to get it together with Courtney, or think he ought to work towards a career in gay porn."

that made me actual lol

He did say he didn't mind what people called him now Ann calls him Shane 😕 tbf on them all i think they are reaching the end of their tether and some are not coping well Shane j has latched on to his Ann hate because he bored rigid.

When Ann lived in her constituency of Maidstone and the weald, the word chav was generally meant to refer to people from Chatham. ( A Medway town, not far from Maidstone) In fact it was known as Chavham. We all have our local idiosyncrasies, I had no idea that chav is deemed highly offensive by people living elsewhere.
With apologies to people of Chatham and chavs for any offence caused.

sinister I agree with you regarding Shane. I agree that he's an idealist and very passionate about his beliefs.
I think Ann has been chipping away at him and it's obvious she has an issue with him because she finds Courtney uncomfortable. She's not very tolerant and I can see why that's starting to get to him now he feels like he has no allies in the house. I can totally see why he feels like he's banging his head against a brick wall with people not seeing Ann for who she really is. And Amanda went too far with him. People keep saying how lovely and compassionate she is but she didn't show much compassion for him and his feelings. She may not agree with him but he feels am emotional response towards Ann's beliefs and why should his feelings be shown no respect? PPs have basically implied that he needs to get over it because gay rights have come a long way. That's ridiculous. Just because things are better than they were in the past doesn't mean that its ok that things aren't all equal. And other posters said he's grown up in a tolerant world (so what does he know) is also nonsense. You just have to look at mumsnet (and often this thread) to see how intolerant people still are. (Just look at people taking the piss out of the LGBT acronym for a start, and all the IW discrimination...) He's probably faced lots of abuse because of his sexuality in the past.
I don't think he's sly at all. I think he's calm and measured and passionate and I'd still like him to win. I personally think he has far far far more likeable qualities than Ann and I think in general he treats people in a much kinder and compassionate way than she does

"Just look at people taking the piss out of the LGBT acronym"

Tiny thing, but if you're going to moan about people using the right acronym, it'd be good of you to use the right acronym it's LGBTQIA, last I saw.

Yes, why is chav offensive? People use it about themselves in my area. Tends to be used for wearing branded leisure gear, having 'low brow' interests and not ashamed of it. She only used the word because she was asked to explain 'brassy'. Brassy would translate as 'brash' or 'showy' I think. She was probably.y trying not to say 'tarty'.

She doesn't roll her eyes at him because he's gay- that's his assumption. She rolls her eyes when he's boring on, or when people are crude or silly.

I loved the conversation about him wearing corsets and uncomfortable clothes. I felt like she was thinking 'real women wear sloggis and hotter shoes, you silly boy'.

I did love the corset conversation A widdy cleary doesn't care if she is curvy or not I do appreciate it takes a lot of work to make courtney fabulous Ann probably thinks it is far to much effort 😂

Drag is supposed to be trollopy that is why some people hate drag and find it insulting to women.