Celeb Big Brother Thread 11 - New product in the PWB shop! "Andrew's Guide to Treating Women with Respect"

[AnneEyhtMeyer]

I got them cheap. Ideal gift for Valentine's Day or Mother's Day.

I read somewhere that she has been hard up quite often. I don't know what a politician's pension is like. Should be ok, though.

I read that her expenses record makes her look like a saint.

She's likely skint.
£100.000 will buy her a few packs of digestives and a brushed cotton slip or two.

I assume she's bored. A lot of people who worked long hours feel lost when they retire, so need to find something new to do. For Ann, it's reality shows.

Shane J is three years older than me, I'm not buying that he's just young and that's why he's behaving so divisively. Some people are just twats.

I don't think Amanda was aggressive, Cat.
Shane had been saying that she and Wayne weren't standing up for the lgbtqi community.
That's pretty offensive to say to people who have lived in the public eye when homophobia was the norm. Shane has grown up in a very liberal world. I think Ann and Amanda perhaps share an 80:20 approach to life. 80% of the feminism/gay rights battle has been won, stop drama queening about the rest. I don't agree, but I can understand it.

He’s older than me too Beyond I just think he’s not had a slightly unfashionable opinion yet. God forbid he expresses that opinion, then he’s oh so inclusive and non judgmental Twitter followers will drop him like a bag of hot shit.

It’s all ready happening too, remember IW and the drag queens are like black and white minstrels thing?

One of the 600 odd mps ah I see thanks for clearing that up.

If we limit democracy to only include those with acceptable opinions it’s not democracy anymore.

Shane j manages the passive aggression to a T sly toad that he is he clearly has it in for Ann because of Andrew which is ridiculous well done Wayne and Amanda for shutting him down his only bitching partner is Malika.

She was voted for as mp. For quite a few years.
If you want to blame anyone for her controversial views having a say in the government, blame her constituents.
And the constituents for the rest of the uk that voted Tory and gave them a majority government so she was in a position to make those decisions.

I have just checked the betting odds and Amanda is 20/1 to win. Can you believe that?

Hello, thread. I went on holiday and missed a week but I've been reading you lot, and now I've done some catch up watching.

Thrilled to lose the lads, and irritated beyond belief at how Dapper managed to avoid even the minimal challenge Emma might have posed. (I remember way, way back being on different forums and being really annoyed at how Davina failed to confront bad behaviour so it's same old, same old, isn't it?!).

Loving Amanda as I have from the start, and mourning slightly the lovelier Shane J that we had when he first arrived. I don't know if it was just the comparison to India or whether he has TURNED INTO A DIFFERENT PERSON.

Finally, with my agree-to-disagree hat firmly on, I am NOT an Ann lover. I sympathise enormously with her lack of patience with endless swearing and sex talk, as I find it very dull myself. I think taking herself out of it all is a very sensible approach. In the edit we've seen, she hasn't been particularly rude about anyone's personal choices, although I would like to know what lies behind both Rachel and Maggie's comments that she's been favourably edited. But I haven't seen her listening to anyone else's point of view on anything, although being very free with her own opinions. She's nowhere near being in my top 20 of BB villains, but I would find her very hard to live with. Not as hard as the lads though!

Once again I totally disagree with Futuristic on this thread. Nothing personal, we just see things differently.

I think the reason Amanda is fine with Anne is because having been a gay woman for a very long time she is aware of far gay rights have come in this country in a way Shane J can never be. When she was an actor she had to lie about her sexuality. An openly gay woman (or man) would not have been employed in a prime time soap. It would have been a Sunday tabloid scandal. Someone with Anne's views wouldn't have spoken to her, let alone shared a bedroom and a 'chocky biccie' with her. This knowledge and experience has given her wisdom and tolerance so she can be fond of Anne despite her many flaws.

Shane J grew up in a very different world. For his entire adult life his sexuality hasn't just been tolerated or accepted it has actually been celebrated to the point that it has become a way of earning his living. That makes him incredibly fortunate compared to older gay men and women. Far from him being a crusading pioneer for gay rights, a great deal of the battle was being fought by people like Amanda before he was born.

Fair dos to futuristic. She or he certainly sparks debate.

Work it out or don't bother. It's quite clear you wouldn't know you were being shafted until the broom handle came out your mouth.

That kinda talk may be cool in AIBU but it's not welcome in Telly Addicts.

Go and be a cock on some other thread.

I have found futuristic’s views interesting.
Whether you agree with his/ her point of view she/ he is giving an alternative view.
Just as we should ‘respect’ Ann’s views on issues , we should also ‘respect ‘ futuristic’s
views.

Poor Shane J, he's not winning many votes on this thread. I liked him at the beginning, but I've gone off him. He does seem hung up on Ann. As do others.

Totally hung up on Ann I thought Shane j was going to explode with inner rage when Ann didn't do yoga yet let Shane L away with it.

Yes he's they're like a dog with a bone regarding Ann .
Do you think he's trying to avenge Andrew's eviction or is he mortally offended by someone with differing views to his own do you think? He can't possibly be thinking it will be "Andrew loves Courtney/Shane J 4EVA" can he? although I imagine there will be a brief bunk up for publicity on Andrew's part

I do think he is avenging Andrews honour or some such pish, for a guy who claims to be so tolerant of differing views he is clutching at straws regarding I am pleased Amanda and Wayne pulled him up on it.

I do hope Andrew's mother gave him both barrels in private, but I somehow doubt it. I do think Ann's comment about his mother and grandmother was entirely reasonable, and it's just a shame she was wrong.

Mixed views on the Amanda v Shane thing.

Amanda and Shane are both of a generation where they presumably had to disengage somewhat from what people thought on LGBT issues or they'd be unable to function, especially as neither were out until well into their careers. So they're going to have got used to the idea that it's possible for a person to want to deny them certain rights, but also quite possibly be personally kind and engaging to them. We can all have views on those coping strategies, but they are what they are.

Shane is quite right about Amanda not having the rights she does now if the likes of Ann had got their way, and neither Amanda nor Wayne have really shown any sign of being willing to acknowledge that. I can see why that would be frustrating for him, especially as Ann hasn't simply kept her views to herself, she's done things like rolling her eyes when he spoke about feeling a kinship with Wayne due to not being gay. Which was rude as fuck of her.

However, they also clearly both feel they shouldn't be expected to take on the mantle of being advocates for the community themselves- and rightly so, I think. Shane himself said that people from minority groups shouldn't be expected to be seen as representatives for their community on stuff like this, and yet I think he's expecting that from them somewhat. He's not expecting the straight housemates to call out Ann's attitude, after all.

I thought the whole thing was indicative of an age divide in the house, which I think has possibly been more of a thing than a divide of the sexes this year. Left me wondering has Shane J been round many LGB elders, especially women. I suspect he isn't that used to having heated discussions with 80 something lesbians.

The drag world doesn't have many lesbians in it, from my limited knowledge of it.

I thoughtthe 80 something lesbian wiped the floor with him not everything is a "fight" or "cause", btw I agree with Ann and her eye rolling god knows why they don't fall out of her head however i think she hates gushy out pouring of faux emotion from Shane J because she didn't eye roll once when Wayne got his letter from his husband

I can also see why, when people are in their 70s and 80s, they might just feel disinclined to keep fighting battles when things have got so much better in the past couple of decades or two. I find Ann's voting record pretty abhorrent, and while I understand her arguments about eg protection of under 18s and believing marriage is between a man and a woman, that doesn't explain her vote on civil partnership or failure to support any mechanism for giving same sex couples legal rights.

But I can empathise with people like Wayne and Amanda basically thinking, we've got the major stuff, we've come a long way, why am I being expected to expend valuable time and energy on a relatively minor point of principle by some kid who has no idea how hard it was a few decades ago. Things like Ann being a rude dick to another gay person probably seem fairly minor when your early sexual encounters would've been criminal offences.

I'm feeling a bit sorry for Widdi. If she was devout Muslim or Jewish no one would hold her feet to the fire about her views when she has explained her beliefs.

This ^^

Didnt buyy Jane Js tears at ALL. what a conniving bicth he is, he and Malika are obsessed to the poinbt of being phsycho with Anne.

Anne didnt say anything wrong to him at all.
Annes dancing was brill! and Ashleys tan! Ross in Freinds!

Ashleys better without G. loved the Gran bit.

well done wayne for not giving in to Shalika.

as for Amanda.....AMANDA TO WIN JOINT 1ST WITH ANNE!!!!

Amanda was BRILLIANT. Told it like it is. every single thing she said.

Jane J? Shane J. Duh!

and good, Anne, telloing the conniving -cant believe I liked him at first- Shane J about phobias.