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Celeb Big Brother Thread 8 - Coming soon in all good department stores - Ann's Nightie Collection - one for every night of the week!

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AnneEyhtMeyer · 17/01/2018 22:07

Where's Lord Sugar when you need him? Get Andrew Out!

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MrsJayy · 19/01/2018 08:29

Malika is having a breakdown she hates everybody Grin

Youcanstayundermyumbrella · 19/01/2018 08:50

Rachel went down in my estimation for using the word bantz. And for preferring the company of those men, because I can't imagine listening to that inanity for any length of time.

MrsJayy · 19/01/2018 09:05

Yip youcan Rachel is maybe one of those women who says she has guy pals more than girl pals.

futuristic1 · 19/01/2018 09:43

I think the other HMs have failed to register just how extreme Ann's religious beliefs are - she is a female Jacob Rees-Mogg - and that's putting it mildly!

Has western 'Religion' become so degraded/irrelevant in younger people's lives that they almost can't see it when it's right in front of them.

Ann presents this brusque, bluestocking, high-minded, intellectual facade but if the other HMs fully realised that she is in fact living by a Catholic 'Checklist' of permitted activities, beliefs and behaviours, they would be better able to penetrate the chinks in her armour.

Everything about Ann can be understood by the simple 'Ah, you would say that Ann - because you're a Catholic.'

Not because you're a former Tory MP. Not because you're (only) 70. All because she's a particular type of Catholic. (other religions are available and fit this description too)

They treat her as though she's lived through the war - sacrificing herself for the good of old blighty - as though her one love had been lost in a spitire dogfight over the channel and she's mourned him ever since.

Ann is an ideologue.

She has no need to think for herself as the rules have been provided by God.
Once the HMs realise that for Ann, there is an actual list of rules to live by - not just 'a design for life' but an actual detailed compulsory blueprint - then they have a better understanding of and are more able to dismiss Ann's more socially unacceptable behaviours.

I can't bear her. Her pride in her pedantry is grating. Her sense of arrogance and superiority about being one of the 'chosen ones' perhaps?

I don't care if she wants to live her life believing that men are better than her (in God's image? closer to God?)
but it's a bit too fundamentalist for me when her actions show that she believes that all the men around her are also superior to all of the other women around her.

I'm fine with her prostrating herself before her God and all men but I have no tolerance for her doing it to the other women and then walking over all of the other women to put herself on top of the prostrated pile - closest to God no doubt in her very competitive, very simple understanding of her religion.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 19/01/2018 09:49

Great post futuristic it's good to finally see a balance of posts on Ann W on here.

toldmywrath · 19/01/2018 10:08

Blimey futuristic Ann Widdecombe has really got under your skin. Shock

toldmywrath · 19/01/2018 10:10

Rachel in her leather trousers lol. Do you suppose that RJ thinks she'll get more votes to stay if she's doing bantz ,(shudder) with the lads tosspots ?

BringMeTea · 19/01/2018 10:12

Interesting post Futuristic. As another lapsed and non-believing Roman Catholic I have genuinely never met one like Ann. I suppose going to the bother of converting in adulthood means you are really quite invested. I do wonder if Tony Blair is quite so ‘fundamental’?

Agree a sense of reverence is conferred by the the younger hms that is truly not merited. That may have a great deal to do with their own ignorance though. She is certainly an interesting character.

picklemepopcorn · 19/01/2018 10:16

I think her attitude to men isn't that out of line with those of other women her age. All the MiLs on here who do 'man portions' etc. She's more comfortable around men than women, in many ways.
She's also barely exposed to modern culture. She won't watch a lot of main stream tv, if any. Has no children or grandchildren keeping her in touch with younger people. So she won't be like 70yr old grandmothers.

The inability to accept women as priests isn't misogyny, although historically it will have been. It's more an inflexibility about what a priest is.

She was very huggy with Daniel.

The men's sexist attitudes and comments are disgusting. I swear Andrew just resents Ann because he wants to get his hands on the girls. G is just up for what he can get. Daniel is a sad sad man to think everyone lives by his standards, 'surely someone's pressured her into it at some point!'

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futuristic1 · 19/01/2018 10:33

Ann is 70 - she was 20 years old in 1967 - the height of the swinging sixties. I know they say if you can remember the sixities, you weren't there, but still.

She attended universities in Birmingham and Oxford in the late sixites and early seventies - surrounded by young people and the world - she did not grow up in a convent next door to an Amish community.

She worked as a university administrator from 1975 to 1987 in London - she is familiar with the outside world.

She was an MP from 1987 to 2010. People may well believe that Westminster is full of grey, dusty old men and women and that they are all out of touch but here are enough sex and drug scandals in Westminster to indicate this is not the case.

Ann Widdcomber has taken part in - actually been in, more reality tv shows than I have watched.
She is not your dotty old grandma who still thinks the valves have to warm up before you settle down to watch the test card.

Why does she participate in so much reality TV?
Is it narcissism? Is it monetary greed?

Does she get a kick out of associating with the heathen?

Is it all ego?

berryferry · 19/01/2018 10:34

Bravo @futuristic1 👏

Also I actually don't like this new opinionated commentary by marcus, even if it is sometimes funny, he's meant to be impartial!

Only1scoop · 19/01/2018 10:34

Glad to see it wasn't just me totally cringing last night at RJ and her overly casual leather clad 'Bantz' with the Menz snippet.

Rapidly going off her

PandasRock · 19/01/2018 10:36

I have no liking for Ann's beliefs, but I do respect her for having principles, and her reasonings for many of her beliefs are interesting and thought provoking.

I was struck, in particular, by when she and Shane J were talking about age of consent and why she voted against lowering the age, and her reasoning was that she thought that 16 left girls vulnerable, and she didn't think that making younger boys vulnerable was the way to go. There was an interesting conversation not had there, about the vulnerabilities of young people (maybe the conversation was had, and edited out, who knows?). She (and everyone) knew it would be like pissing in the wind to try to raise the age of consent for girls, and achieve equality that way, but she stuck by her principles, not out of prejudice, but because she strongly felt that lowering the age would be leaving children vulnerable (and she felt/feels that way about girls too). Not a popular opinion, but a valid one nonetheless.

I was only half watching last night, but there seemed to be a couple of people trying to point out that, while Ann is being given leeway as an older, principled housemate, she is not actually demanding/expecting this. She seems to me to be like my gran was - knows that young people get up to all sorts, and just doesn't want to hear about it. She hasn't tried to stop them, indeed retires to bed and let's them get on with it, and in no way tries to censor what they are doing. Just wants no part of it herself. It is not her fault if the other housemates feel as though they shouldn't be doing XYZ with her in the next room.

Even when Andrew tried to provoke a reaction by specifically engaging with her about his bum c rack wax (I am no prude, but I wouldn't want to be talking to a relative stranger about that, thanks anyway), she just flipped it away with 'I don't want to talk about this', which is fair enough. He was the one overstepping boundaries by bringing it to her, she didn't walk past a conversation going on, interrupt and demand they stop talking about it. He wanted o shock, annoy, disgust, whatever, and she quite rightly called him on it. It was his behaviour that was wrong, not hers.

And I get the feeling that most of what the other noise,areas are complaining about is similar. They want to be annoyed at her for spoiling their fun, but I think, as a pp pointed out, that it appears that eg Jess and Ashley were all too happy to have the "excuse" of going to bed early and avoiding the all-too-grim ladz bantz. Ashley didn't seem at all perturbed the other night when told Ann was wanting the lights out, and there is seemingly no footage (otherwise why not show it?) of Jess complaining that Ann is cramping her style, which is interesting given the conversation that Dapper, Andrew and Jonny had the other night about someone who is "being fake" - widely speculated to be Jess, because she is not living up to the glamour model/borderline porn style behaviour they were anticipating, but just being "normal" (read boring, because not available to the ladz whenever they want her).

The thing that surprised me was Ann nominating Maggie rather than Jess when she said about the laughing at others in pain, mostly because more was made of Jess laughing at the time. But maybe she thought Maggie should know better as an older, more experienced woman? Dunno.

PandasRock · 19/01/2018 10:47

Sorry, autocorrect - housemate, not noiseareas in the last para.

I think that this series has highlighted that many people (and is goes for those inside the house as well as outside- not meaning MN specifically here, just the feeling from comments all over the web) think it is boring if there are no high dramas, floucing, or not enough flirting and sexual behaviour (I am aware this is making me sound as though I am Ann's long lost twin Grin)

It appears editors feel the same, hence the massive concentration on Ashley and Ginuwine (desperate hoping something happens) and so much of the lads talk (mostly about how gutted they are that there is no constant sec party going on, and how one woman going to bed at 9.30pm is stifling it all)

There must be some interesting conversations happening in the house somewhere. Are they not showing them because they think the audience won't engage? The early days of the series, most of the complaints on this thread were that IW was not allowing these interesting conversations to happen, flouncing off each time, or drawing it all back to IW/trans stuff. Now that IW is not there, I doubt those interesting conversations have stopped, but all we are being shown is the lads, or a desperate attempt at a showmance. Why?

futuristic1 · 19/01/2018 11:02

Ann's principles - not convinced on that front.

The age of consent debate was interesting.
I can't recall it verbatim but yes, the gist was there would be no chance of raising the age of consent for females.

So, in the spirit of sticking to her 'principles', Ann just put that behind her, never campaigned any further on it, never brought a private member's bill (afaik) even if it would have been doomed to failure.

But she won't put her head on the chopping block for young girls - that's a fact.

Ann didn't take it further because there was no political mileage in it. Simple as that. No kudos for her, or her beloved Tory party.

There's a large serving of pragmatism there of course, but fundamentally, it's all about ME, for Ann.

It was interesting that Ann nominated Maggie over Jess - calculating?

The poor, young men would suffer for the want of a pretty young lady to lust over, and we can't have the poor young men suffering can we? Not in Ann's eyes, that's for sure.
And it might have backfired on her because Dapper and Johnny et al would blame Ann for depriving them of their tittilation.

Ann also said she would have nominated Ashley for her treatment of Johnny (nominating him because he dumpered her friend in 'real life').

Poor Johnny. We can't have the ickle men's feelings being hurt by the big, bad manipulative women, can we?

misspetite · 19/01/2018 11:27

See, I like Ann and I think people should just feel for her. She's experiencing something she's never had before and deep down she might wishing she had children etc. I feel so bad when people are mean to her ? (Lord, what's wrong with me?) Blush
She reminds me of one of my teachers at boarding school.
I think it's strange how suddenly Andrew was trying to start something with Jess Shock

misspetite · 19/01/2018 11:28

autocue she might be wishing

PandasRock · 19/01/2018 11:40

I wouldn't like to words in Ann's mouth/ascribe thoughts to her she may not have re: why she didn't take anything further on trying to raise the age of consent for girls.

Do you really imagine she would have got anywhere at all? Any support in Westminster? O just made herself a laughing stock?

Agree with her or not, she was actually a very effective politician, and a very effective local MP - I lived in her constituency for a while, and she was very hard working, and a reputation for going the extra mile for her constituents. Wish I could say the same about my current MP - a slippery, never present, workshy, fame hungry upstart.

I disagree with most of her politics, but I hate then ridiculing of her because she is old and single. I detest the way Dapper's hideous, vulgar views of her were shown uncontested last night, and how the edit is presenting those views as acceptable. The very fact that he (and the others, they are no better, given they didn't call him out on those views - interestingly, was Shane J there? He would have called out that kind of view last week - mask slipping?) has to resort to such vile personal insults shows 1) how disgustingly, misogynistically, ignorant he is and 2) that he had no real argument to add, he could only try to make her a figure of ridicule because of her sexual and moral choices.

they complain that she is the one enforcing her views on everyone? She has said again and again she is happy for everyone to live and act as they wish (harm notwithstanding, obviously), she just doesn't want to do that herself. And she says this withputnridiculing, without putting anyone down, without insults. Yet the lads cannot afford her the same courtesy.

Look at the mixing up,of bedrooms for e.g. Right at the beginning of the show, Ann was adamant that she wouldn't be sharing a bedroom with the men. Yet she hasn't complained (or we would have been shown, I'm assuming, given the editing seems to be all about highlighting how much of a prude Ann is, and so inflexible etc) now that big brother has enforced it. She's just getting on with it. No fuss or bother. Ashley was the one making all the fuss, when no one was trying to force her to share a bed, huge dramaz all over the place, ensure she doesn't have to share a bed, then hop right in with Ginuwine anyway. What was all the fuss about? Why all the drama?

picklemepopcorn · 19/01/2018 11:54

There were a few comments last night that came very close to 'that woman needs a good seeing to. That would sort her out.' And none of them challenged it.

I don't understand her nomination of Maggie. Maybe she felt that the youngsters had more to lose, and that Maggie wasn't very involved with anyone.

MrsJayy · 19/01/2018 12:11

I dont like Anns views butwhat i do like is her taking herself away when she wants to not hear stuff this is what is making HM uncomfortable not actually Ann they are questioning themselves and getting annoyed at Ann, I dunno why she nommed poor Maggie though the birth task was days ago

futuristic1 · 19/01/2018 12:28

There's a few people in there I wouldn't want to share a bus with, never mind a house.

Dapper and his dumb but equally vicious and low-minded sidekick Johnny, Genuwine - the 'real' low-down (genuine article), Andrew, a manipulative schemer who flatters anyone as long as he can exploit them. Ashley, pointless. Jess, another manipulative schemer.

But to be fair, I have no higher expectation of those people. They are nothing but dumb, crap-reality fodder. Put in the show simply to antagonise 'sympathetic' characters and reveal to the public that all so-called 'nice' people are just scum too beneath the surface. What high motives CBB has!!!

Ann is a different matter because Ann should know better.

She does not have the excuse of being stupid, desperate or uneducated, venal or immoral.

People have a low opinion of Rachel - fair enough - but she described Ann perfectly - a Professional Disapprover.

Ann may not tell the others explicitly to behave but she harrumphs, and sighs and rolls her eyes, and exclaims and snorts endlessly.

It's bloody obvious she disaproves and she's making it quite clear that everybody knows it and they know she knows it and she knows they know it - so don't anybody say that she isn't trying to control the behaviour of the other housemates.

Professional Disapprover that she is - it would be interesting if anybody could highlight the positive things she has done in her public life.

I struggle to identify them. I think she has made a political career out of disaproving and loudly saying Nay! Down with that kind of thing!

I hope that in her role as a constituency MP, she sorted out local people's benefits problems, antisocial neighbour and housing issues. Assisted them with immigration issues and so on - I really hope she did.

For me, respecting her because she sticks to what she believes in, or 'has principles, is akin to admiring Jacob Rees-Mogg because at least he's honest!

Yes, peole respect Rees-Mogg for his honesty. He doesn't lie about believing that rape victims shouldn't be allowed abortions (As another staunch Catholic does Ann share this belief?). He didn't publicise it either.

Being honest about values and beliefs that are abhorrent to most reasonable people is not something to be admired.

AnneEyhtMeyer · 19/01/2018 12:32

The best years and best bits of BB and CBB have been the times we have seen real conversations, real relationships (not sexual) develop, and when any flare-ups have been a long time coming and not just mindless idiots with no brains too thick to debate without fighting.

I am totally not interested in the faux romances, the thickos sitting round smoking and bitching without two brain cells to rub together and the people who do not know how to occupy themselves when bored. Boredom is the key to BB - that's when they have fun, conversation and we get to see the real interactions.

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MrsJayy · 19/01/2018 12:37

But surely that is what BB is about people with different views and morals Ann is entitled to humph and tut just as much as Ashley is allowed to dramatise her fauxmance Or the ladz bantz ,if I was in the house I wouldn't be able to tolerate some of the offensive language either, The ladz as i said pages back just want to see tits and covort in hot tubs they are bored and are blaming Ann for the lack of tits

berryferry · 19/01/2018 12:37

I am totally not interested in the faux romances, the thickos sitting round smoking and bitching without two brain cells to rub together and the people who do not know how to occupy themselves when bored. Boredom is the key to BB - that's when they have fun, conversation and we get to see the real interactions

Totally agree with all of this! I also think this is when you get the really funny bits.

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