Celeb Big Brother Thread 5 - So, let's talk about ME. ME, me, me, me, me...

[AnneEyhtMeyer]

Time for yet another thread...

Sorry for the repetition in my post!

I was disappointed in John Barnes when discussing Weinstein and Bill Cosby. It seems as if Shane/Courtney is the only one who appreciates that women are telling the truth.

What a let down John.

I wasn't that surprised by John. As much as I think he comes across as a lovely guy I think he's fairly typical, and a footballer, where I'm pretty sure there is a culture of being warned about women who will lie/entrap you for money/attention. I've said before on this thread, in my work situation I hear a lot of "lads chat" but also general "men's chat". I talk to these blokes with chit chat about all sorts of stuff and most men are obviously really nice blokes but I didn't find that conversation that surprising. If Shane had had more time and will to push the point they would have started backtracking a lot but what they reveal is what a lot of people think in my unhappy opinion.

I was also coming on thread to say about Rebekah Shelton who is apparently on holiday in Arabia atm and not dead

I think IW telling all those lies about designer vaginas from a book of photos, if I had had the operation too, I would be incredibly angry with IW. A really stupid thing to lie about

Also, I thought IW said the operation was on NHS - so it cost NHS £14,000 that IW was happy to spend

So another lie

IW will probably stay in tonight cos the voters are too dim to work out how to vote out, by voting to save Jonny

If trans activists vote to save IW after telling all the lies about them and the operation, LGBT rallies and drag queens

Then "more fool them"

I read an article recently (I think in the guardian) where women with major tears from childbirth were being given 'an extra couple of stitches for the dad' by surgeons which is utterly horrifying.

Really? I have heard people joking about 'an extra stitch' etc but I didn't think surgeons were actually doing that. Would that even be allowed in this country?

I swear the more I read, the more I would want a female only doctor near my bits.

As opposed to a male doctor/nurse, that is. That last post read as if I was activity seeking out a female doctor to flash my bits at.

Yes, compulsory shave and compulsory enema, once, routine episiotomy and a couple of extra stitches 'for your hubbie', twice.

Also demonstrates how things 'were different back then'

Most certainly not that it was thought to be right, but a lot of the time it was what it was because of male privilege and woman's lack of voice.

Outspoken feminists were widely regarded as bra burning harpies and it was common place to be quizzed at job interviews about your romantic status and your intentions and your partner's plans. I had a Civil Service interview, three men glaring across a massive table at me and all it consisted of was those kind of questions. It didn't go well.

I'd like to hear what JB said again for full context, before commenting.

The recovery from labiaplasty can be excruciating and for the majority of women, totally unnecessary.

I don’t know if IW has insisted on being called mum or not but the know some TIM’s do insist. The thing that strikes me about that is the total disregard for your child’s identity from a parent who champion’s identity as the key to happiness.

Identity doesn’t happen in a vacuum. It evolves in relation to our environment and other people. When a parent insists on being called my the parental identifier of the opposites sexed parent, they are asking their child to reformulante the way they identify themselves whether they want to or not - so much for allowing everyone to be their authentic selves.

This wasn't the article I read but talks about it still being common www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/mums-still-getting-husband-stitch-11661328

Re tonight - I fear vote to save means we are stuck with IW

And when and if the crowd are allowed to shout out what they want “get India out. Then it will be because they love the panto baddie

Do people really vote more with vote to save? I don't get it -surely you know that whoever you don't vote for is the one you want to go, just that same as if you were voting for the one to go? (That sentence doesn't make sense, but I hope you get the jist)

I can understand how it can make a difference when more than two are up, but surely it's the same when it's two?

They could shout "get John out"...?

I went to look at the details of the surgery after reading this thread. I ended up looking on a few sites of clinics and surgeons. I'm feeling rather at the apparent super duper vaginas of transwomen. One surgeon guarantees orgasm through penetration. If only!

Ditto to the lovely breasts. If hormones don't deliver 'big enough' breasts, in swoop the surgeons. My pair is sadly lacking - thanks, nature. I'm not much of a woman really.

I think that IW is doing a great job.
The roaring about being a 'real woman' and bullying (in the form of nominating) Ginuwine about not wanting to date a TW (not to mention the perpetual me, me, me) are a perfect example of how the only way to get people to accept this delusion is by bullying and gas lighting. It's a real life example of what is happening to women and girls.

I have had several discussions in the last few days with previous 'of course TWs are real women' folk who now get it, having seen IW in action. It blows apart the fantasy about the most vulnerable group on this earth. It models the bullying and manipulation of thought to perfection.

Go and have a look at cbb twitter (and Rylan's and even IW's twitter). People are calling it for what it is.

Just delurking. Waves hello. Really enjoying the threads.

Just wanted to add that I can't get the picture of IW shouting at Amanda, an 82 year old out woman, saying Amanda had disrespected her by misgendering her and no apology was good enough. Oh the irony. So little respect for others.

I'd like to hear what JB said again for full context, before commenting

I watched it again and it’s actually just really confusing and the main reason being none of them really “get it” except Shane, rather than it being an awful conversation.

John was saying Trump would never have been able to continue running for President in the UK after the “pussy gate” gate tape and then Wayne brought up Weinstein and John said “look what’s happened to him now he’s been caught” and then Genuwine said “supposedly” Andrew said “it’s not been proven” and John agreed "innocent until proven guilty” - all fair enough. John was criticising Trump and Weinstein but obviously went back to, yes innocent until proven guilty. Genuwine then said “if they did it they deserve all they get, but let’s just say a guy said something to a girl she didn’t like and now it’s the time to say “he assaulted me” it’s probably revenge so how do you know…?” and Shane jumps in as no people try to invalidate women with that argument and talks about power structure, tiny incidence of false claims, victim blaming etc.

Then… JB says “look at the Bill Cosby situation in the 70s, you have to go back to the 70s, that’s what people did” with a seemingly “what can you do?” sort of shrug. Again Shane jumps in “that doesn’t make it right” and JB says “of course that doesn’t make it right at all” and again Shane talks about how someone coming forward would have been dismissed and JB says yes he really understands why people didn’t come forward and can't say that he would have been brave enough to do so, and it wouldn’t have stopped people still draping their arm round him and “so when people do things you’ve just got to sort of say, well, you know” and again the “what can you do?” sort of shrug, “it’s always been like that, it’s only now things are changing, but it’s not like that period was worse than say 100 years ago” and Shane says “yeah but” and then Genuwine says “it’s just not right, that’s what he’s saying” and then walks away and stops the conversation.

JB - to my mind - is not laughing and smiling (other than natural twinkly JB).

I'm horrified at the minimising of 'gender reassignment' surgery. It's being made out like it's no big deal, like having a mole removed under local or something.

There was a documentary on tv a while back following one person through their 'journey'. After the surgery the individual was in utter agony despite the painkillers. Once on the road to recovery they asked if they'd do it again and they said they'd never have got it done in the first place if they'd have known the pain levels involved.

Agree Mimpi. I understand that in effect it leaves an open wound which needs careful management to stop it healing up. I honestly don't know how surgeons are ethically allowed to do it.

Ah Anne, it does enhance one's attraction to Daleks though and that must be a massive plus

It must be hard psychologically for surgeons having to remove healthy organs.

mirialis thank you for typing all that out, it's as I recalled, but I wanted to be sure. If there is a villain of that piece at all and of course, we only saw a small segment of the conversation, then I'd say it was Ginuwine who minimized and was sceptical. JB seems to me to have his eyes wide open to how things happen in reality and Andrew is very keen to always be seen to be 100% PC, if that's the right term.

I was thinking about this earlier as yesterday I saw a bit of Doctors on BBC1 a male nurse apprentice went through the curtains around the bed of a female patient who was lying, eyes open and conscious, but unable to move or speak. He seemingly disturbed a consultant feeling under her gown in an inappropriate manner, possibly fondling her breast. I didn't actually see.

The nurse apprentice reported the incident to his superior who said she'd raise it with the male consultant. She did and he shut her right down. She told the nurse apprentice the outcome and he wasn't happy, he was totally sure what he'd seen. She shrugged and kind of said what can you do? I'll stay alert.

I didn't see it today so don't know if that storyline's progressed, but it's obviously a relevent topic.

For crying out loud relevant

Rebecca Shilton describes reassignment surgery sounds horrific.

I wonder why IW chose to lie about how painful gender reassignment surgery? (I'm in know doubt it was a lie and must be incredibly painful). Surely it would feed into the victim narrative she has created for herself. I just don't get it.