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Game of Thrones - Season 7 episode 4, the leaky cauldron edition

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AryaUnderfoot · 04/08/2017 19:53

For those who may, aherm, 'know' what happens during the episode prior to its official airing.

Spoilers Galore read at your peril!

Let's try to avoid 'leaks' for episodes 5 onwards.

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Middleoftheroad · 05/08/2017 17:10

Thanks Arya - I'm goimg to have a nose. It makes sense that they focused on Gilly learning to read.

Gingernaut · 05/08/2017 17:15

Is any character aware of the blood relatiobship between Dany and Jon?

Isn't he her nephew? Half-brother? I forget what he is to her and who fathered him atm... Confused

BeyondQueenOfLists · 05/08/2017 17:16

Nephew, ginger. So far, as far as we know, only bran knows about it.

AryaUnderfoot · 05/08/2017 17:19

Jon's father is Rhaegar Targaryan - Dany's brother. Only Bran is aware of this (so far) and Howland Reed (who has never been in the show).

Targaryan's generally wed brother to sister to keep the 'blood of the dragon' as pure as possible. Aegon the conqueror married Rhaenys and Visenya - both his sisters.

Targs weren't a genetically a very healthy bunch.

Incest is otherwise frowned upon in the rest of Westeros.

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DixieNormas · 05/08/2017 17:26

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Peabrain14 · 05/08/2017 17:39

is benjen stark a wight?

AryaUnderfoot · 05/08/2017 17:45

Benjen Stark is not a Wight re-animated by a White Walker. He is not alive in the normal sense of the word but was raised back to life by some magic of the Old Gods and Chidren of the Forest. I can't remember the explanation for it in the show.

His equivalent in the books is a character called Coldhands who helps Sam/Gilly and later Bran et al to travel north of the wall. He has not been revealed to be Bnjen, but there are lots of theories that he is (as well as theories that he isn't).

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Funko · 05/08/2017 17:55

Link sent Dixie

Middleoftheroad · 05/08/2017 17:59

Arya I clicked on the spoiler link. Holy crap!

Peabrain14 · 05/08/2017 18:29

Thanks Ayra

MrsJoyOdell · 05/08/2017 18:40

That spoiler link Shock can't wait for the rest of it now!

AryaUnderfoot · 05/08/2017 18:47

Yeah, those spoilers are something else! Nearly everything has been pretty accurate so far, although some plot points have been in different episodes. It's not really surprising as the main series 'leaks' occurred in October before the bulk of the outside filming had been completed and were based on quite early scripts.

I must say, GoT corporate security is about as water tight as a paper bag!

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DixieNormas · 05/08/2017 19:07

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BeyondQueenOfLists · 05/08/2017 19:17

OMFG at the ep7 and ep8 synopses!! 😮😮😮

ElenaGreco123 · 05/08/2017 19:19

The Green Chilli spoilers make a lot of sense, as everyone gets into position.

The only thing I would say Rhaegar had already had an heir named Aegon. If he genuinely divorced his wife in the show while she was a hostage in King's Landing, and let his whole family die such horrible deaths, good on Robert for killing him! I thought Rhaegar was a bit of a tosser, but that is a whole new level.

BeyondQueenOfLists · 05/08/2017 19:23

Do we know for definite definite that the tower of joy and sacking KL happened at the same time? I know it makes sense that they do, but it would fit better if they didn't, Iyswim?

CreepyPasta · 05/08/2017 19:32

Could someone pm me the link please Grin

AryaUnderfoot · 05/08/2017 19:44

Elena when the leaks were first published back in October that was the first thing that everyone complained about and said that it proved the leaks were fake. That and operation grab-a-Wight as it is now affectionately known as. Unfortunately, nearly all the leaks seem to be true.

There has been some speculation that the names of Rhaegar's children with Elia were never mentioned in the show but they were - back when the Hound had his show-trial with Beric back in S3.

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onceandneveragain · 05/08/2017 20:07

The battle scene was both amazing and horrifying.

Dany has a lot of character flaws - but I have to disagree completely with Bossybitch's analysis of her vs Jaime's relative morality in terms of leadership.

Of course she is soaring above them - she's the only one that can fly the flipping dragon. She has no combat training so would be useless on the ground in a fight. Why would she distinguish between Lannisters and Tarlys - they're both fighting against her, and (as Dickon pointed out) literally just murdered people they'd grown up with days earlier - they're not innocents.

You can't suggest she 'let her army risk their lives for her,' : the Dothraki love to fight FFS - that's their whole way of life. She also gave them the option of fighting for her, and they were pretty enthusiastic iirc. It's not comparable to forcing normal untrained men to enlist in times of war, which is how the Lannisters and Tarlys would have formed most of their army.

In terms of not abandoning men, she could have flew away when the first giant crossbolt missed Drogon, or when the second hit him - instead she turned back and flew straight at it (arguably foolish, but certainly not cowardly!).

In addition when Jaime tried to charge her she was unarmed and had her back to him - not exactly noble! Although killing unarmed Targaryens by stabbing them in the back is kind of his MO so that's a good callback.

I like Jaime as a character - but in terms of righteousness I think I still have to come down on the side of the character who hasn't deliberately tried to murder children.

I'm interested to see if the cave of exposition is in the books when they finally get written - although someone online has suggested it is the Isle of Faces transplanted to Dragonstone.

Weebo · 05/08/2017 20:20

Tehehe.

Game of Thrones - Season 7 episode 4, the leaky cauldron edition
Mrsmartell08 · 05/08/2017 20:59

How can I watch this!!!???
Help me!!!
For the night is dark and full of terrors

Mrsmartell08 · 05/08/2017 21:03

Seven hells!!!
Someone please!!
Argh....

BeyondQueenOfLists · 05/08/2017 21:15

Sorry mrsmartell, I watched on my kodi box - I don't have a link to share :(

Figgygal · 05/08/2017 21:36

Wow those spoilers are something else Shock

Fancythat69 · 05/08/2017 21:42

@Mrsmartell08 I've sent you the link