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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 3

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CruCru · 24/07/2017 21:18

Hi all

As the last thread has all but totally filled up, I've started this new one.

Bit shallow - but do you think the Wives are allowed cosmetics? I got the impression that make up is banned but they do all look very polished.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/07/2017 22:53

I didn't want this to end - it was such an amazing serialisation of the book, and the cinematography and imagery were amazing.

The shot that really struck me last night was the double column of handmaids marching down the street - their red cloaks against the monochrome background - such a powerful image.

MooPointCowsOpinion · 31/07/2017 23:08

I just caught up and came on to read comments when you all realised they were about to stone janine. I couldn't believe it, DH was sure it would be the commander who got her pregnant, I found it harder watching them being Janine out than anything else in that episode.

I don't trust Nick, but he did have a conversation with that woman in the hotel about rebellion last week, which makes me think he's a double agent. Margaret Atwood has been involved with the series, I don't think she'd let them plant seeds of hope that he's more trustworthy than we thought unless she had an idea of it going somewhere?

Kickhiminthenuts · 31/07/2017 23:23

sdtg
I've been singing that song all day from that scene. It was beautiful

thatone · 31/07/2017 23:48

It has been such a gripping series and also fascinating to read people's insights on this thread.

Like a PP I also have to watch each episode twice. The first time is watching in terror in anticipation of what might happen (keep expecting June to be walloped by Serena ever time she turns a corner in the house. I was sure she would get caught reading the letters) and the second time watching more carefully to see the reactions and emotions and to consider the implications of what is happening.

Thegiantofillinois · 01/08/2017 09:00

Had to read the notes again (have avoided re reading during series) and havve ended up re reading the book. It says that Canada, under pressure from Gilead, often rounded up and extradited refugees, so even now Luke and Moira may not be safe. They need to aim for England (or Britain, as those of us who live inthe other bits tend to call it).
Wondering if series 2 willl extend June's story or take another angle. The 'notes' imply Gilead gets worse, with people who weren't married in.cjurch becoming a target.

NameChange30 · 01/08/2017 09:03

I read that Guardian article (thanks to the PP who shared the link). Hmmm. Well written but I'm completely staggered that of all the examples cited of modern day injustices, only ONE of them relates to sexism. THT is about the oppression of women. Women are being oppressed around the world. But the author of the article seems to be implying that there are more parallels with the refugee crisis - which is relevant of course but not the main point, surely?!

NameChange30 · 01/08/2017 09:05

Ahhh, the article was written by a man. Makes sense.

Ozzde · 01/08/2017 09:48

If I remember correctly from the end notes in the book, they surmise June's story is in the early part of Gilead before the middle period. It was touched upon when they mention Waterford being televised which didn't happen in the later middle period.

Wormulonian · 01/08/2017 10:32

I think in the book Aunt Lydia mentions how June's cohort are the difficult transition. The next lot of girls to be handmaids and forced wives will be better behaved as the Gilead regime will be all they remember.

morningtoncrescent62 · 01/08/2017 12:16

The shot that really struck me last night was the double column of handmaids marching down the street - their red cloaks against the monochrome background - such a powerful image.

Yes, and with June out in the front, on her own, head up, with hands by her side instead of demurely clasped. I thought the episode was perfectly constructed. At the start, 'sorry, Aunt Lydia' is whispered by a bewildered June who's been terrified and humiliated into submission and has no idea what new terrors lie in store. By the end of the episode 'sorry, Aunt Lydia' is spoken calmly and confidently by a June who's become a survivor and hasn't allowed the regime to brutalise the life force out of her - what Aunt Lydia told them about the new regime coming to seem normal hasn't happened, and there is hope instead of bleak terror.

I'm captivated by Ann Dowd's performance. I wasn't seeing her as the nuns in the Magdalene nurseries as a pp said - I found myself wanting to know her backstory and wondering what's happened in her life to bring her to this point. I imagined her torturing herself after Janine's downfall, privately crying herself to sleep and berating herself for not having properly protected her. I think she genuinely has come to believe that she best protects the women (her 'girls') by teaching them to accept their status, and she genuinely thinks they're the chosen ones. NB: I've always read her as a sadistic brute, so this is a new perspective for me, possibly to do with my age (I was June's age when I first read the book, Aunt Lydia's age now) but mostly, I think, because of what Ann Dowd has brought to the characterisation. Her's is the stand-out performance for me amongst an ocean of terrific performances.

Someone upthread said about June and Ofglen darting up the side of a shop to talk. I agree, that grated for me as well. But also, the angle it was filmed at made me think there was someone watching.

I don't trust Nick to have been telling the truth when he told June to trust the black van drivers. I think he's an ambiguous character, possibly more so in the book than in the series, and I don't know where his loyalties lie. For a moment, at the end of the penultimate episode, I thought it was going to somehow be Moira driving the van - at the end of the book the point is that we don't know whether to trust Nick or not, and I'm reserving judgement here too!

Fantastic, fantastic series of one of my favourite ever books.

deadringer · 01/08/2017 13:46

The thing is though nick didn't need to say anything at all to offred, if she was really being arrested he could have just kept out of the way. It's not like she had a choice about going. Nick going to her and reassuring her makes me sure that he had set it up and June will be OK, and of course we know that she managed to tell her 'tale' at some stage. Maybe I am just an optimist. The final episode was a triumph, a brilliant end to a brilliant series. The actors were all amazing, but I really feel that the actor who played Serena was outstanding, even though she was a complete bitch, cruel and heartless in her dealings with offred, I still somehow felt sorry for her.

noblegiraffe · 01/08/2017 14:01

There were no duff performances were there? Madeline Brewer playing Janine was also excellent, vulnerable and unstable.

morningtoncrescent62 · 01/08/2017 14:38

The thing is though nick didn't need to say anything at all to offred, if she was really being arrested he could have just kept out of the way

But it's in his interests for her to keep quiet and say nothing about the child being his. Perhaps he thought that if she panicked or thought she had nothing to lose she might blurt out something he didn't want her to say, just as Janine had done. If he's a double agent then he might be extremely cynical and hard-nosed as well as having a lot to lose.

I agree about no duff performances, and Madeline Brewer was fantastic. I also thought the actress playing Ofglen did well with her part as did Rita.

NormaDesmondsEyebrows · 01/08/2017 15:01

I wonder if Nick is having he removed to safety, but it's not freedom. If he has contacts in Mayday he could be having her taken away to have her baby so that he can be part of its life, but there's no saying that will be a positive thing for June. He's unlikely to be rescuing her so she can be free because surely he would know or guess that she'd try to find her husband and daughter.

We still don't know what Mayday's aims are. Are they all about Greek g the Handmaids, or just taking down Gilead and keeping the fertile women for their own ends?

That could well be the hook for season 2.

NormaDesmondsEyebrows · 01/08/2017 15:03

Oh and also did anyone pick up on 'three Marthas have been arrested for planning an attack'? It sounds very much like they are mobilising as well. And one was caught trying to cross the border earlier in the series.

Unrest is a coming in gilead.

noblegiraffe · 01/08/2017 15:39

Moira said to June that she didn't know what the package would contain - poison? Anthrax?

It contained a bunch of letters from handmaids detailing what had happened to them, and what was happening to them. That would appear to be an effort to get the truth about Gilead out to the outside world? I thought that they would already know from refugees. Maybe they were hoping it would spur an external rescue effort. If family on the outside knew what was happening to their friends and relatives inside, they might be more likely to try? Luke didn't know June was even alive till he got the message from her.

Gilead seems to be promoting the idea that everyone is fully signed up to the regime. The Mexican ambassador played along with that, even when June told her the truth. Maybe the letters would be too much to ignore.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/08/2017 15:46

The Janine thing to me was a problem - I can't imagine the govt wanting to kill a fertile woman in this society, they're too rare

Lobotomy yes. Brainwashing yes. But thinking to kill a fertile woman - surprising.

Fabulous series, just incredibly well done. Loved it so much.

TeaStory · 01/08/2017 15:52

I think they'd stand the loss of one Handmaid as an example to others.

Two Handmaid's were hanged in the book.

TeaStory · 01/08/2017 15:52

^Handmaids

Autocorrect!

noblegiraffe · 01/08/2017 15:56

Janine nearly killed a baby. They couldn't possibly let her live.

badbadhusky · 01/08/2017 15:57

Ann Dowd is also really, really good in The Leftovers (all 3 seasons currently on NowTV). It's so 'out there' her character's story arc calls for huge versatility & she just chews up the scenery/other cast. She's a fantastic actress.

morningtoncrescent62 · 01/08/2017 17:52

Thanks, badbadhusky - I've become her devoted fan so I'll certainly look those up Grin

Moanyoldcow · 01/08/2017 18:11

Just caught up. Utterly fantastic adaptation.

I found the last episode so upsetting but when Luke came for Moira I just cried for her. It was so affecting.

The performances have been so strong. Yvonne Strahovski has really surprised me - I'd written her off as a pretty but fairly average actress after 'Chuck' but she was so solid.

TizzyDongue · 01/08/2017 18:43

Just started on the book - first time read for me. Anyone else reading?

TeenAndTween · 01/08/2017 18:51

Tizzy Also just bought the book, but need to wait until later this month to be given it for my birthday, then need to carve out some time to read it.

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