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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 3

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CruCru · 24/07/2017 21:18

Hi all

As the last thread has all but totally filled up, I've started this new one.

Bit shallow - but do you think the Wives are allowed cosmetics? I got the impression that make up is banned but they do all look very polished.

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Superpretzel · 25/07/2017 07:46

A bit off topic but I've just finished reading the power. Wow it's brilliant!

caoraich · 25/07/2017 08:01

Oh fab, just found this thread!

The woman who approaches the wives when they're out with the baby- she seemed overfamiliar for a martha and I didn't recognise her. Was she meant to be an econowife? I don't think they've come up in the series but I'm sure I remember them wearing rainbow clothes in the book

Gowgirl · 25/07/2017 08:19

They wore stripes in the book and the only intrraction was with the handmaids when they met during the fetus funeral.

EBearhug · 25/07/2017 08:33

Would a fall from a bridge that height-and into water-kill you?

Don't know, but hypothermia and then drowning would finish the job quite quickly, if they didn't fish you out almost immediately.

TizzyDongue · 25/07/2017 08:40

Thanks for the new thread.

Another one that would like to know aboit Aunt Lydia. She seems to have changed - nasty and dictatorial to regretful but obedient of her role.

GColdtimer · 25/07/2017 09:36

Just being doing some reading up on the Aunts and they are unfertile women who held positions of power and influence before, and who held were sympathetic to the sons of Jacob. The alternative for these women was to be classified as unwoman and sent to the colonies, or be a Martha I suppose. They are the only women allowed to read and write apparently.

figtreetwig · 25/07/2017 09:42

I'm not getting the sympathetic vibe from Aunt Lydia at all, I think she sees janine as an achievement, a woman who has been tamed and now has achieved the ultimate goal of providing a healthy baby. She's like a pet to Lydia, obedient and vulnerable.

brokenshoes · 25/07/2017 10:56

Did Nick ask the Martha at Jezebels whether anyone had been talking about "Waterford's handmaid" (ie June)?

pixieg1rl · 25/07/2017 11:04

I don't think Aunt Lydia has particularly changed. I think you need to consider that she would act differently around men and women according to their power and social standing. So deferential to senior men such as commanders, obedient to wives (as she was when Serena told her to remove the disfigured Handmaids), she will have guardians around at the Red Centre and would boss them about, and she exercises all her control and power over the handmaids. It is here where she can dish out punishment (within reason, so no damages to uteruses) and favour as she sees fit.

As for Janine, I think Aunt Lydia views her as a sort of pet. She 'broke' her at the red centre and she became what she thought was a model handmaid, obedient, she fulfilled her purpose and produced a baby. Aunt Lydia is proud and protective of her record. To have Janine sent away at the diplomatic reception was a snub, but to find out Janine got pregnant outside of the ceremony (In Gileadian eyes transgressing the system), tried to kidnap the child and attempted suicide is by extension a failure of herself.

Janine' being saved is not for Janine's sake. It is because she is a fertile asset to the state.

SomethingOnce · 25/07/2017 11:07

Agree that a backstory for Aunt Lydia would be interesting.

BrieAndChilli · 25/07/2017 11:13

I would also like to see a glimpse of the colonies.
Lydia's back story would be interesting - was she always like this or is she acting this way to survive.

I have read the books so only have the info we are given on screen - they haven't explained econowives or where the marthas come from.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 25/07/2017 11:31

A detail that caught my eye, in the last episode, was the cap worn by baby Angela/Charlotte - it reminded me of the indoor caps worn by the Handmaids - I wondered if that was signalling the inferior position of a girl-child from the word go.

ASauvingnonADay · 25/07/2017 11:49

Would a fall from a bridge that height-and into water-kill you?
It was really shallow - i think the men in the water were only in it up to their knees. The impact of the ground might.

ZuzuMyLittleGingersnap · 25/07/2017 15:30

Ann Dowd herself giving interesting insights into Aunt Lydia here.
(Apologies if this clip has already been linked on the last thread...am still reading through!).

Fascinating seeing Ann Dowd's naturally warm, approachable personality contrast so markedly with the AL she portrays.
For that alone, and for her interpretation of AL's backstory, it's worth a watch (the interviewer/ audience input less so).

WestleyAndButtockUp · 25/07/2017 15:48

I got tied in all kinds of knots trying to discuss this with my friends. One had only read the book, one had only seen the first few episodes, one had seen all ten on download (and gave a spoiler!!!), and I couldn't keep straight what was book and what was TV.

SophieCatScribbles · 25/07/2017 18:55

I've only just finished catching up. A terrible episode, brilliantly written and acted. So sad.

The way poor Janine was starfished on the hospital bed made me think that they've done something horrific to her - either the FGM, or sterilised her - ready for probably the colonies. She's too dangerous to be allowed to have another child. She couldn't be trusted to even be pregnant, she's too unstable.

In some ways I was so glad that they finally portrayed the vile ceremony as rape, rather than June or another woman trying to pretend it wasn't happening. The 'training' these handmaid's must have gone through doesn't bear thinking of. They're all traumatized. Thought it was heartbreaking when June and Janine were on the bridge and June was talking her down and she told Janine that one day it would 'all go back to normal'... The look they exchanged was an awful recognition that the whole regime is too broken to ever, ever be a 'normal society' again. Can you imagine the horrors of seeing an ex-Aunt in the street? Or trying to do anything normal like get a job? Never trusting anyone again.

I'm utterly hating Fred. Any thought I had that he was a bit sympathetic has gone. That look he gave the distraught June when she was sobbing and he told her to 'pull herself together' was as cold as the river that Janine hoped would end her torment. Not to mention the utterly creepy bit with poor, unraveling, wonderful Moira. My god the acting is so good!

Serena still puzzles me. I'm wondering now whether she won't turn out to be the more human of the two. Maybe it was just Fred and his weird shit with his handmaids that led to the last one killing herself? Maybe that's why when she was being taken out in a body bag, Serena hissed at Fred 'what did you think would happen?' - not because of what she'd done to the handmaid, but because of what Fred did. Maybe that's why she was so harsh with June, particularly when she first arrived and broke protocol a bit to say something 'normal' to Fred - she was trying to force that cold distance between them, because she knew what would follow if events repeated themselves.

I'm so tense awaiting various plot lines:
Where is Hannah? Is she ok?
Are they going to show us the colonies? :(
Are we being slowly led down into the twisted hell of Fred's true proclivities?
What will happen to poor Janine?
Will Moira make it anywhere? (I just think she'll be shot or strung up - she won't get far, what about papers at checkpoints etc? Someone will discover the body of the man she killed... Oh but I hope she does.)
What is it with these cold Aunts? What's Lydia's story? They've all got one... They remind me of those horrible nuns from places like the Laundrettes, ultra-religious and heartless. I agree with an earlier poster that I don't think she has any real affection for Janine - I think she's devastated about losing a rare, successfully fertile handmaid that she thought was tamed and was going to make her (as the training Aunt) look good.

It'll be awful waiting for series 2! How will we all cope?! The 4 helpers will get us through, lol - chocolate, coffee, grain and grape 😋

motmot · 25/07/2017 20:01

POSSIBLE SPOILER 🚨

I think the actress who plays Moira is confirmed for the second series, which is great as she's amazing. Good questions SophieCatScribbles

I would in some ways like to see what the outside picture of Gilead is, from Canada etc, but of course the lack of such perspective adds to the insular, confusing and controlling feel of the regime.

WickedGirl · 25/07/2017 20:09

Wasn't janine cuffed to the bed by her arms and feet? Isn't that why she is starfished?

InigoTaran · 25/07/2017 20:09

Interview with actress who plays Serena Joy. Interesting to hear both the actors' takes on the characters they play and how they have had to identify with them and their motives whilst at the same time hugely judging them!

m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=V4tN0AS2Hss

WickedGirl · 25/07/2017 20:26

www.denofgeek.com/uk/the-handmaids-tale-0

This also makes for an interesting read

SophieCatScribbles · 25/07/2017 22:45

This is very powerful too (the actress talking about Aunt Lydia)...and I found it slightly chilling that she echoed my thoughts about nuns, although in a kinder way than I might have done...

Pompatrol · 25/07/2017 22:50

Loving the threads.
There has been a webchat with Margaret Atwood before... But it would be great to get her again!

tenpoletudor · 25/07/2017 23:12

Bigly placematting

SophieCatScribbles · 25/07/2017 23:55

Oooh I'm feeling successful!
DH started watching the first episode with me ages ago, got to halfway (just after they kicked that guy to death) and declared it too grim to watch...so I carried on watching it on Monday mornings, alone. Anyway, he came in while I was watching a Handmaids YouTube clip thing, and he asked me something about it, and I just started talking about it all, Gilead itself, the horror of things like a supermarket that look almost like now, but are just nothing like the noisy, human mixing bowl they are...normal stuff reduced to fear and mistrust and extreme, silent stress. I don't know how you all feel, but I was surprised myself at how passionate I am about the story, and my own perception that the danger of this terrible thing is just around the corner (metaphorically speaking).
Anyway, he's agreed to watch it properly and stick with it! I talked about how so many of our OHs just find it too uncomfortable and won't watch with us (bit of a challenge lol) and how many women feel that we should all - women AND men - be watching it and talking about this stuff. Because it's the things that are taboo that gain power in their silence.
It'll be very interesting to get a normal man's perspective on such a life, where men are unashamedly in utter control over women, and where the normal society constraints on some of them are completely removed and their basest desires pandered to...
So we're going to start at the beginning. A very good place to start.
;-)

noitsnotteattimeyet · 26/07/2017 07:34

Ds (20) started watching this with me, declared it to be 'soooo boring' after the first couple of episodes. But he's stuck around (we generally have one series we watch together) and gradually it's sucked him in and after the last episode we ended up having a really good discussion about what was going on, historical parallels and how societies could slip into hell almost without anyone noticing until after the tipping point. He's now reluctantly agreed that it's really good 😬