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The Trial: A Murder in the Family ***warning - contains spoilers***

284 replies

NapQueen · 21/05/2017 19:33

Anyone watching along? Starts tonight, 9pm, C4. Runs for five nights. I loved Broadchurch, and have been on a Jury, and love anything like this.

Hope its good!

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buggerthebotox · 25/05/2017 07:41

Ooh...a bit early in the morning but if a charge of manslaughter is brought, he's admitting to have killed her. He's claiming not to have killed her.

Happy to be corrected; don't think it's quite that simple.

Friolero · 25/05/2017 08:02

I would have to say not guilty on the basis that there's not enough evidence for me to think beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. It's all been a bit too wishy washy really, I'm sure there would be more evidence and facts in a real case.

eddiemairswife · 25/05/2017 08:04

I thought it was said that she booked the Scottish holiday(6 Months!) with Sue, whoever she was. So why was Sue not a witness? (Unless I dreamt it, I was tired last night. Also, what about the friend he tried to ring between the 999 calls?

MacarenaFerreiro · 25/05/2017 08:08

I don't think we'll ever get a "what really happened" bit at the end. That's not what would happen in a real court case. The verdict is given and everyone leaves.

HappydaysArehere · 25/05/2017 08:12

Husband charged with murder but he seems to be free to come and go as he pleases. The last episode I watched he was driving a car. Then he is wandering around the court as if he is a normal witness! Confused

Friolero · 25/05/2017 08:13

Macarena my TV guide says we will: "The truth of the fictional murder is revealed as a dramatised segment depicts the last tragic moments in the life of Carla Davis".

Chopchopbusybusy · 25/05/2017 08:19

Happydays, he was out on bail so free to wander around.

JoWithABow · 25/05/2017 08:22

burntheblacksuit manslaughter is for when someone kills someone unintentionally. I think that would be quite hard to argue in this case as holding someone's neck long enough until they die is very brutal. Even if he didn't go into the house with the intent to kill her, when he had his hands on her neck and she couldn't breath/fell unconscious he would have realised what he was doing.
Manslaughter could be argued in a scenario like if he'd punched her and she'd fallen and hit her head and been killed I think.

MacarenaFerreiro · 25/05/2017 08:49

I think it breaks with the realistic idea to show the real version of events - but I will be watching to see who did it! It was maybe the bloke out jogging or the nosey neighbours....

Destinysdaughter · 25/05/2017 09:15

I agree this has been a bit disappointing. I used to work in the courts and its pretty realistic, but a bit dull. And just not enough evidence!

KoalasAteMyHomework · 25/05/2017 09:49

sassymuffin I echo your thoughts exactly.

I find it worrying that the jury seems to put so much on their emotional and gut instincts.

There should be no "I think" he did it. It should be on what the evidence shows.

x2boys · 25/05/2017 09:51

I didn't say that Yoda but tbh if someone I was with had two affairs I wouldnt be thrilled either and may lash out we don't all live in a mumsnet perfect world where no one gets angry ever this is supposed to portray real life....

qazxc · 25/05/2017 10:28

Tbh I think Martha is just as blinkered by her personal experiences than twatty army bloke. It seems more an emotive decision than one based on the evidence.

tobee · 25/05/2017 13:14

Imagine if this were a trial when we still had the death penalty. Imagine being a jury member then.

MrFMercury · 25/05/2017 15:06

I've changed my mind a couple of times but on the basis of what we have seen, I'd have to go not guilty because I have plenty of doubt. I too found it odd they didn't tell us who the father of the baby was too.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 25/05/2017 15:11

MrF they did, it was Simon's baby.

Alfieisnoisy · 25/05/2017 17:48

I'd have to go not guilty based upon the evidence. There just hasn't been enough hard evidence for me,

I do think Michael Gould (Simon) has been told to adopt a certain demeanour. I wonder if they are going for an unsympathetic character " but look...he isn't guilty after all despite how he acted".

We shall see.

Destinysdaughter · 25/05/2017 18:18

I just don't get enough of a motive for him. If she's pregnant with his baby, surely there's more of a motive for the boyfriend killing her?

MyGastIsFlabbered · 25/05/2017 18:26

I reckon maybe she told him she was aborting the baby, but that's pure speculation on my part.

ClashCityRocker · 25/05/2017 18:33

Where do the kids fit into it? The wee lad might be a bit young, but I wonder if they would interview the children at all?

Pure speculation, and I know they had a clip of the girl talking about how they weren't getting on so well but it would put a different perspective on it if for example she'd thought there was something odd or some tension between Lewis and her mum the evening before.

I can imagine Irl it would be hugely traumatic for the kids, so don't know how they'd go about it.

ShootingStar123 · 25/05/2017 18:48

Voice0fReason
The Scottish Not Proven verdict is completely pointless, I'm glad England doesn't have it

It's not pointless because (IMO) it provides victims and victims' families with more "closure" than a "not guilty" verdict.

While an educated person will realise that "not guilty" is not the same as being "innocent". It seems to be common perception amongst uneducated or ill-informed people that a not guilty verdict does mean "innocence" and they also equate the outcomes of trials as the "truth". It is worse still for those witnesses and victims who are branded "liars" by the uninformed public when a "not guilty" verdict is delivered.

The high evidentiary bar required for a criminal convictions means that most guilty criminals do in fact get away with their crimes.

Aside from the lack of evidence in this fictional case, it does illustrate how flawed our criminal justice system is. Not only the wayward deliberations of the jury, but also the fact that the defence can just invent another suspect to introduce reasonable doubt.

On the flip side. A person who is wrongly accused may have "damning" evidence against them simply because the police (during the course of their investigation) created a narrative to fit the evidence. You can find patterns everywhere if you look them, and an innocent person might genuinely struggle to remember or explain why or what they did, thus making the person look dishonest or evasive.

As Tom Clancy would say... The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.

I think you should have to undergo some basic training on cognitive biases before you can sit as a juror, and maybe a test to ensure you are capable of assessing the facts and evidence before you.

Destinysdaughter · 25/05/2017 19:01

I wondered about abortion too, it's the only reason I can think of for him wanting to kill her.

Well I guess it will all come clear soon ( unlike a real trial!)

x2boys · 25/05/2017 19:29

Yes they will interview children if appropriate my son gave police statement at eight and was going to be a witness in court ,fortunately it wasent necessary.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 25/05/2017 21:00

Who's ready?

Destinysdaughter · 25/05/2017 21:02

Me!

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