Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

I wonder if any hotels still offer such services and whether anyone would actually trust one now.

I would hope not!!!

www.sandsresort.co.uk/faqs/how-does-the-free-baby-listening-service-work/

smithandfamily.co.uk/hotels-with-baby-listening?sgid=

www.espritski.com/childcare/babylistening/

www.watergatebay.co.uk/stay/families/babysitting/

First four thrown up by google here

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Megbert - I would suggest that reading through the files released by the PJ would aid anyone's understanding of this case, rather than relying on the mainstream media.

YY megbert. It's the presumption they make that their ideas must be valid and the pretence that there's some inherent value in sitting knitting around the guillotine that gets me. If you want to gawp and shit stir, gawp and shit stir. Just don't make a pretence at something better!

I wouldn't say Kerry Needham has been a very lucky individual, but the one good fortune she's had is that she was spared all this. If we'd had social media and ubiquitous 24/7 news then, there'd be threads running now about how something she'd said in 1998 was supicious... or odd... or surely she should have done x instead.

You could say though that having the media attention helps as much as it hinders - there does seem to have been a shift in attitudes towards the McCanns now but the earlier attention certainly brought them a lot of hope and sightings, plus a lot of people donated to their fund. That wouldn't have been possible before.

The media attention might help, but oodles of posts from people whose knowledge of trauma reactions would fit on the back of a postage stamp doesn't.

True Miss - and whilst reconstructions/ info released/ keeping the case in the public eye, might help in bringing new witnesses with information forward - a load of internet ghouls picking holes in every detail of the McCann's actions that night isn't going to help anyone.

That's really interesting Strongandstable. Even after all everything that happened to the Mcanns leaving your baby alone in a hotel room is still something you can do - I wonder if anyone does that? For all those queueing up to criticise them, I really think that puts what they did in perspective.

I have mixed views, though I doubt we'll ever know. Too many holes in all of it. In my mind, whatever the extent of their involvement I will forever judge them for leaving their children. I can't get past that.

I don't think it's right that the McCanns are in for all three abuse they've had.

Bit equally, I dislike the fact that any question about them tends to get shut down as speculation. I don't like the fact they employed a political spin doctor it handle things and I on a personal level I find the entire setting up a company, writing books, PR events on the book etc to be really unsettling. It's their choice to do it, but for me I feel it's a bit cashing in on a child going missing.

For me, documentaries like this just add to the spin feel of it all. I feel that no speculation is fine, but they seem to have got to the point where speculation in their favour is fine but everything else must be silenced.

I think the media attention in the beginning is partly what led to the tide of opinion turning against the McCanns. Not just in terms of those who questioned their potential involvement but in general.

In the beginning there was much talk of how Madeleine could be anywhere and how people needed to look out for her. Talk of the blemish in her eye, and some crackpot theory that she'd been taken and was essentially just somewhere out there in the world.

The result of this was that people were being stopped in the street, questioned as to the parentage of their own children etc, there were even numerous posts on MN from people who either had been stared at by someone who believed their child might be Madeleine. And conversely,posts from people saying that they'd seen a child who looked like Madeleine and should they act, followed by the inevitable "of course you should, you would never forgive yourself if it is her." Honestly the reaction was hysterical in the extreme and far, far beyond the realms of a normal missing person search.

Of course Madeleine wasn't going to be in your local shopping/garden centre. The very idea that people were encouraged to go down this route was ridiculous in the extreme, but it was as if people had been gripped by some kind of Madeleine fever and IMO wanted to be the one who found her.

But it did mean that people started to think more rationally about it all, and started to resent the implication that the search for one child should take precedence over everything else in the world.

The abduction theory should never have been touted as a possibility any more than the theory that the McCanns kept Madeleine in a freezer for three weeks until they could drive over the border to Spain.

I feel it's a bit cashing in on a child going missing They haven't profited personally - that's why they set up a company. The money goes into a fund to pay to keep up the search. I think if my child went missing I'd never stop looking either. How else should they fund it?

But it's taxpayers who are funding most of it. A huge amount of money putting police out there for 10 years.

And the book deals etc they just don't sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it. I know I'll get shouted down by the pro mccann lobby for voicing anything other than undying praise but I find the book a bit uncomfortable (same when people decide they're going to write a novel about their childhood abuse.) I don't know. I feel some topics aren't really 'buy my best seller' material. We left our children and have written a book about her going missing is one of those topics to me personally.

I think the book is because people are going to write books anyway, so she just wants to get her version out there. I find that totally understandable. I don't think it's about being pro or anti Mcann - I can just see where they are come from with that. Probably quite cathartic too - putting it all down in a book.

I can see why people think it's a dubious use of public funds. You're talking about millions spent on looking for one child, the money could probably do a lot more good. The parents can hardly be expected to see it that way though.

As for books, I wouldn't read Kate McCann's and feel very uncomfortable with the idea. But then I feel the same about all the books written on the topic.

Maisy perhaps the poor woman feels she needs to tell her side of the story to all the people for whom something 'doesn't sit well' . Yes knitting around the guillotine is a very good analogy.

perhaps the poor woman feels she needs to tell her side of the story to all the people for whom something 'doesn't sit well' . Yes knitting around the guillotine is a very good analogy.

So I'm knitting around the guillotine for having an opinion that some topics in books doesn't sit well with me and makes me feel uncomfortable? Ok.

This is what I dislike about mccann threads. There seems to be some kind of fan club where if you say anything that isn't "they're so upset and the world is mean" gets you criticised.

I don't feel child abduction, child abuse memoirs etc are topic for books. I dont like browsing the books in tesco and seeing thkse covers (all look similar) They make me feel uncomfortable.
And that is enough to get jumped on for slating the McCanns.

MissShittyBennet You have a similar view to me. It's not a topic of a book I think is the sort of thing to sell.

Doesn't matter if it's the McCanns or any other Tom dick and harry. Child abduction real lives is unsettling.

The book was simply a means of raising more cash for the campaign.

I'd likely do the same thing.

That's fine rocky.
I'd still feel the same way if it was anyone else.

I can't help but find it an odd topic to write and sell. I also find it odd that anyone would want to read those kind of books. It all unsettles me.

...and I wouldn't read it either. I can see why it exists though.

I think Kate McCann has a perfect to write her book on her experience - that's what is it - her experience. Her book was directly taken from the diary she started writing almost as soon as Madeleine went missing - as advised by a psychologist assigned to them straight after the disappearance. Profits went into the Find Madeleine fund - as you would expect.

Others writing books on it - well yes - Amaral and his book are a disgrace. He is nothing but a detective that was taken off the case and demoted.

*perfect right to write her book

Lilian - I think the book is because people are going to write books anyway, so she just wants to get her version out there.

... and yet the McCanns did everything they possibly could to stop someone else writing a book about it! Fortunately, they eventually failed with their legal action so more people can read someone's else account of what happened.

As for book topics - well, books have written about pretty much every subject imaginable ever since the printing press was invented and sometimes they involve real events and real people. I have no problem with Kate McCann writing a book, I just think it's a shame she tried so hard to stop anyone else writing one.