Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

I loathe the McCanns and their aggressive mouthpiece Clarance Mitchell .

Do you have any understanding of this case Princess? You wouldn't have been saving your daughter in this circumstance - you'd have been allowing the police to abandon the search for her.

Once they've pegged the parent as guilty, they stop looking for her. Which is probably they why they took the turn they did - just easier.

MrsGuy thank you, that's the first time I've been accused of trolling on MN, after 6 years it feels like an important right of passage! Is it really so inconceivable that a poster on a family website could also be on holiday in a family resort at the same time as a terrible event happened?

I have no agenda, I have no idea what happened to MM. I even said up-thread that most of my ideas of police procedures come from TV dramas. If I really wanted to convince posters of police ineptitude I am sure I could have come up with much more damming examples than the few anecdotal bits of 'evidence' I have posted here.

Surely they still need a body as in English law to prove guilt?

Yes Delete there are. I think some might be linked up thread. Or you could Google/watch the documentary etc

The acid bath killer also assumed that in the 1900's. But never mind.

The fact that the McCanns have fought to keep this is in the pubic eye, and to keep the police investigation going should tell you something. They want their daughter found.

NO MEAL or social evening is worth putting your child at risk for EVER I have been a lone parent before for 12 years and have always taken my Dc on holiday (always U.K ) and can never think of a time when I put my own enjoyment against that of my children's safety and wellbeing. My DD has Cerebral Palsy and could never have got out of bed alone...but the idea to leave them and go out with friends would never have entered my head this would not have been the first time the DC that night were left alone the friends had said so why were no charges of criminal negligence ever bought against them? Let's not forget that amongst those at the bar that night there were Eight children left alone ( one child it was said had been ill through the day). I think once the friends were together as the night went on their 'regular checks' would have become more spaced out and the more they would have drank the less vigilant they would have been about their surroundings and anyone acting suspiciously. Of course class should not come into the equation but it seems because of their social standing it was an issue because no charges have been brought against any of the group that night ( it was mentioned in the programme that their stories conflicted). A sleeping child is the most precious sight who could see those eight DC sleeping and turn and walk away to finish that next glass of wine so far away?.

My co worker is from Portugal and said that the restaurants welcome children in them no matter what time so he also can't understand why they left the children.

Watching it online now, seems to be a documentary about Clarence Mitchell defaming Portugal and the Portuguese police in either his complete ignorance "it might be the Portuguese way but it's not the western European way" - someone get the man a map and anot urgent history lesson - or a way of providing a scapegoat for the obvious elephant in the room that we can't say on mumsnet.

Let me guess the boys in blue come to save the day in the second and get the parents off the hook. A typical BBC load of jingiostic shite. And as usual no help to the one person that really matters.

salsmum, you're judging that by today's practice, which in itself is influenced by this case. As many people have attested, 10 years ago what the McCanns did in relation to leaving the children wasn't unusual.

I never understand why people feel the need to come on to forums like this and go on and on and on about how the McCanns shouldn't have left the children - usually accompanied by sanctimonious statements about how they would never never never do that, with the implication that they are perfect beings who have never made a mistake. The plain fact is that there is, quite literally, nothing new to be said about that aspect. It is self-evident that it wasn't a safe thing to do, as witnessed by the outcome; but the McCanns have been punished a million times over, and are still being punished every day. What does it achieve to come on here and purse your lips over that?

It's all about stoking that Talisman

Statistically, parents are usually to blame in cases like this, so it's easy to see why they were suspects.

After the parents, it's usually other family members.

Only very very rarely is it a complete stranger.

(Not talking specifically about the McCanns! Just child abduction in general!)

Veto no 'lip pursing' going on here and far from a perfect parent ..but equally not a reckless one either! My DC were these siblings ages a lot longer than 10 years ago and parenting was more relaxed ..I did not wrap them up in cotton wool but neither did I neglect them ..as a parent I had a responsibility to keep them safe because A) they were vulnerable and B) it was My duty as a parent to keep them safe. Of course it's tragic that this little girl has gone but it was an unavoidable tragedy which makes my heart ache for MM and I feel sad for her parents but feel that we should all be entitled to our opinion without being shot down because we don't all agree.

Veto not Veto.

Give up

omg Salsmum sanctimonious or what?!

but feel that we should all be entitled to our opinion without being shot down because we don't all agree

The issue is not 'having an opinion'.
It is people 'having an opinion' for years and years and still continuing to share it regardless of evidence or knowledge of the situation.
A passing judgement of the actions of someone you know nothing about regarding an incident you are equally ignorant of is one thing.
Conspiracy theories, trolls, campaigns, blogs, vitriol and hatred are quite another.

I am always astounded at the level of hate directed against this family.
Based on what? It just cannot be based on what we know happened surely?
All we know happened is that they left otherwise well cared for kids while they had dinner.

There are parents living among us who have hospitalised their own children, who have knowingly allowed dangerous people into their children's lives, who have isolated their kids for years before their kids were able to break free, who have been actually, literally responsible for their child's death and they get an easier time than this family.

Sure they probably get threats and nastiness from close quarters but on the whole they are not subject to the hatred the MCs are.

I think the bottom line is that people enjoy doing it. The MCs make a convenient target. Its only the lack of the internet that saved BN's family from this.
The circumstances were not vastly different in that case but social media was.

ceto I disagree. There was a huge debate about leaving the children at the time because so many people thought it was, to be blunt, irresponsible and selfish and would never have done it. At the time I didn't have children and thought leaving them in those circumstances was weird. Now I have young children and the thought of leaving them in an unsecured apartment that faces the street, abroad, in the night, crying, where I can't hear them or see them, with a pool between us... it chills me and I cannot relate to it AT ALL.

Remember there was a baby sitting service and a listening service. The McCanns had specifically been offered this as neighbours had complained about children crying in the night. They refused. Why? Honest to God I don't understand.

portia, shoes that's not true that she answered the 48 questions earlier. look up thread for my post about why no solicitor would have sat next to Kate and let her be asked those questions without arguido status. The previous 3 interviews had different questions. The issue is why the PJ had those questions to ask. They were very odd.

I just do not understand why people keep banging on about leaving them alone. There should be bloody medals handed out so all these perfect parents could all wear one and not feel the need to keep saying they wouldn't do it/they can't understand.

It's done now. They left the kids, they wish they hadn't, who gives a fuck that Joe Bloggs on the internet ten years later couldn't do it and can't understand why they would?

Do we say well you left the kids, tough shit? How shall we apply that elsewhere? Which other parents could have done something a bit differently - shall we start a witch hunt on them as well? Refuse to look for their kids/treat their kids in a hospital/ etc?

"Is that seriously true??

Yes, I'm sure it was mentioned briefly on the panorama documentary the other night?"

No. It wasn't.

This is how gossip takes hold. Even the Fail does not report that that was the actual terms of the Investigation. Sutton said that an unnamed 'contact ' told him that the Met were likely to want to pursue some avenues and discount others. An unnamed person warning of an unverified supposed or presumed brief which wouldn't actually be official....,

Soul, you're deliberately minimising and misquoting him. The unnamed contact was a senior Met officer, his superior. Sutton specifically spelt out to Brunt that he had understood that lines of enquiry involving the parents were not to be looked at. That was a damning comment which he'd chosen to make and has stood by. As lots of posters here know if they saw the interview. I'm not interested in pushing a theory but it's important to me that things aren't twisted.

I think that comment was on the sky news doc, not the bbc panorama one, which is why most people on this thread (about the panorama one) haven't seen it?