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Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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spottysuperted · 03/05/2017 21:17

They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

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cupidsgame · 06/05/2017 11:10

I disagree LilianGish, I don't believe the McCanns version of events.

LillianGish · 06/05/2017 11:12

You've made that quite clear - on the basis on a series of hunches and not liking the cut of Gerry Mcanns jib. Are you in fact a Portuguese police officer - I thought you were keeping an open mind?

Smellbellina · 06/05/2017 11:25

Are you in fact a Portuguese police officer
Quite!
I'm amazed people are still intent on vilifying the McCanns whilst turning a blind eye to the awful "investigation"

SunshineDeLaSoul · 06/05/2017 11:27

It's a shit situation all round.

Kate looks dreadful, what a price she's paid.

Beautifulsilver · 06/05/2017 11:36

"Pamela Fenn's statement"

That statement is so disturbing to read. The fought of any child crying for an hour and calling for their daddy bring tears to my eyes. She may have been laying there in the dark feeling alone and scared and no parent to reassure them and make them feel safe and protected.

Maddie's mum shouting "we have let her down" and "the fucking bastards have taken her" is really odd. It makes me think that they might have been threatened by someone, maybe blackmailed and that they might know more than they are prepared to tell the public in terms of who is involved. I am wondering if Maddie is still alive and the way the MCs are dealing with everything to this day is to ensure her safety.

I also find the fact that the doors were unlocked but shut difficult to understand.

All in all their behaviour including the fact that MCs enjoyed cocktails with some rich and influential British man in Luz seems all very unusual. Not suspicious necessarily but very different to how I imagine most people live their family lives.

Beautifulsilver · 06/05/2017 11:37

*thought

Bambambini · 06/05/2017 11:49

I'd just leave it to the authorities. I'd hate to think anything i'd say in playing a game of armchair detective could add to grieving parents anguish and help those intent on demonising them. Some people just really want them to hurt more and punish them.

And the same day my mum died, the family all went out for a nice meal that evening and there was lots of joking and laughter. Pointing at GMC laughing means absolutely nothing.

incywincybitofa · 06/05/2017 11:53

I think it is sad that for a 4 year old girl we can't mark how her life changed or ended that day because we don't know.
I also think that if it is true that Madeline or her siblings woke and cried for an hour during that week-and no one came then that is horrific. It doesn't mean that she was murdered by her parents but it does mean that is horrific-an hour is such a long time to a small child.

As humans we will all have a knee jerk thought based on what we have been presented with, that they did or didn't do it.
The person who deserves justice is Madeline McCann but it seems everyone who stood a chance of getting that for her is so keen to be proven right, that you get the impression she will never get justice because no one is actually going out to look for the right answer. She lived in plain sight for all the world to see for nearly 4 years and then she disappeared, gone into a dark night.

SoulAccount · 06/05/2017 12:05

Bambambini: having read your post, I am withdrawing from this thread. Every post, rational or otherwise, draws attitudes that is distressing for me, as a non-bereaved parent to read, let alone anyone who has lost a child.

PortiaCastis · 06/05/2017 12:09

Agree wholeheartedly with Bambambini

LillianGish · 06/05/2017 12:50

This thread was started in response to the Panorama documentary which appeared to be made in cooperation with the Mcanns (judging by the amount of personal video footage included in there). They clearly want to keep the case in the forefront of the public's mind - the documentary showed interesting new evidence (that I was not aware of before). Unfortunately a there are people on here who want to ignore that (some did not even see the programme) and regurgitate the usual bile against the Mcanns based on nothing more than hunch and supposition. I happen to think the fact the Mcanns continue to pursue the case and push themselves forward in spite of this is one of the most persuasive arguments of their innocence.

Chavelita · 06/05/2017 13:18

I think that the people who claim the McCanns'/their friends' stories 'don't add up' are being naive. A brief stint on a jury/reading police witness statements/even reading biographies or even, God help us, 'true crime' books will show how incredibly oddly people act under pressure/in panic, in real life situations. I'm a novelist, and you couldn't have characters behaving the way real people do in a novel, because no one would believe it -- it wouldn't be 'credible' or 'in character' or 'flow', and no one would suspend their disbelief. Real life involves coincidences, chance, bad luck, random behaviour, misremembering etc etc in a way that fiction can't.

I sometimes think people are reading the Madeleine McCann case as fiction, and are quibbling and pointing fingers because it doesn't 'work' as a story. If a novelist was trying to establish a character as Definitely Good and Relatable, she wouldn't have them putting their children in a creche a lot on a family holiday, or leaving them alone to eat out with friends every night, or use Gerry McCann's somewhat impersonal language about his daughter's disappearance, or (as reported by the tabloids - I have no idea whether this is true or not) go jogging/play tennis within a few days of their daughter vanishing. You might have the villain of a novel do that, to 'prove' their lack of humanity.

But this is real life. People aren't good characters or villains. Decent, ordinary people aren't necessarily 'nice'. They don't necessarily act consistently, represent themselves well when they speak, do the things 'we' imagine we would do.

And unfortunately, there aren't always endings.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 06/05/2017 13:46

Far from the Mccanns looking broken i've always thought they were remarkably composed, especially Gerry whose arrogance and smugness is apparent in every interview imo.The footage of him laughing on the balcony 5 days after his daughters disappearance was quite shocking
This

DeleteOrDecay · 06/05/2017 14:07

What I'm not happy with is the rule "no speculating" with the subtext of 'but really you can as long as it's one view' when that view is equally speculative. The entire way the topic it's policed is just disingenuous.

I agree with this.

That guy who worked in the hotel who is now running boat trips (i think). He was dodgy as hell when answering the questions the reporter asked. He behaved exactly like somebody who was trying to hide something, did not get a good feeling about him at all.

Comments like this are no different to the ones that insinuate or accuse the McCann's of wrong doing. This man lost his job and lively hood and for what?

He was approached whilst at work, unexpectedly by some random British journalist and put on the spot in front of a camera. Not many people would have their wits about them in a situation like that.

Personally I think most of the people the journalist spoke to in this documentary weren't saying everything they wanted to (including ex/current police officers), maybe for fear of getting into legal trouble like others have in the past? Who knows. It was a very off programme.

DeleteOrDecay · 06/05/2017 14:07

*odd not off

LillianGish · 06/05/2017 14:42

The documentary was looking at evidence - the evidence of the dogs, which had seemed damning at the time, but was subsequently disproved; the evidence of the forced shutters, which was dismissed by Portuguese police as being impossible even though there had been several break-ins using exactly the same MO; the guy working on the reception at Mark Warner who still had a question mark by his name when all the other members of staff had been ticked off - whether you like the look of Gerry Mcann, or the guy with the boat or whether you thought Kate Mcann shed enough tears is neither here nor there. No roadblocks were put up in the immediate aftermath of Madeleine's disappearance or checks on boats leaving the resort (hence suspicion possibly falling on boatman) during the precious golden hour. The investigation was bungled initially and detectives have subsequently tried to pick up the pieces in the years following. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't left their kids alone - that's accepted by everyone and the Mcanns have been completely upfront and honest about what they did, that hardly needs revisiting by anyone. It also seemed clear from the documentary that people in Luz don't want the case revisiting - it's hardly the best publicity for a holiday resort (except for ghouls wanting to check out the sight-lines between the tapas bar the apartments). But for the Mcanns that's the only hope they have of finding out what happened to their daughter. That's what I took away from the programme.

pombal · 06/05/2017 14:45

I agree with Delete, the people interviewed chose their words very carefully. It felt like a lot was left unsaid on both sides.

I think the PJ and probably the Met know what happened and can't/won't say for whatever reason.

I thought the Panorama journalist looked a bit desperate when interviewing the Portuguese 'suspects'.

It was an odd programme.

NameyMcNamechangechange · 06/05/2017 15:19

I agree Pombal - I thought the documentary was designed to show that the Met were clutching at straws given their narrow mandate (don't know if anyone watched the Sky documentary, Colin Sutton the retired Met detective was interviewed on there as saying he refused to head the Grange investigation as he'd been told the review could only look at lines of investigation which didn't involve the parents). Bilton's interview with the man who clearly had learning difficulties and a poor grasp of the questions asked looked really shoddy too.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 06/05/2017 15:35

Lillian - the dogs have not been 'disproved' by any stretch. And as for roadblocks? What nonsense! Does that every happen in the UK? Ever? Checking boats leaving the harbour??? Are you for real?

It was British authorities that advised the PJ to investigate the McCanns more closely. Google Mark Harrison. Google Lee Rainbow.

Smellbellina · 06/05/2017 15:50

The dogs haven't been "disproved" as they never proved anything in the first place.

Smellbellina · 06/05/2017 15:53

And yes you do get road blocks in the UK

TattiePants · 06/05/2017 16:06

There wasn't road blocks as such but 3 or 4 days after she went missing there were police cars on the main road into / out of Luz. Perhaps they were looking for someone in particular but it seemed very little effort much too late. They were pulling over random cars, some tourists, some locals, some families, some single people etc. It appeared to us to be very random and hardly worth doing.

TattiePants · 06/05/2017 16:17

Also, I can completely understand why the Mccans went straight to the media. As I posted earlier, there was no visible police presence in the area away from the MW resort in the first 24-48 hours after she went missing. The only searching we saw was by locals/ holiday makers. We watched 3 or 4 police wander round a building site the size of a football field on day 4ish. They spent about 10 minutes looking in a bit of shrubbery and some drainage tunnels - hardly thorough. Luz is a small town and the police there have probably never had to deal with something so big but if I was the mccans, I would have been desperate for more outside help.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 06/05/2017 18:29

Colin Sutton the retired Met detective was interviewed on there as saying he refused to head the Grange investigation as he'd been told the review could only look at lines of investigation which didn't involve the parents
Shock

CauliflowerSqueeze · 06/05/2017 18:50

Is that seriously true??