Anyone watching Madeleine McCann ten years on?

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They're framing it slightly differently now.. 😧 interesting from the bbc...

It isn't a case of 'discrediting' dogs or their handlers. It is about placing their use in the scale of evidence.

Madeline had been in the apartment. Her DNA would also have been on property of the family subsequently put in and out of the car.

A quick Google (fraid so) does throw up results for a defence team who convinced a judge the dogs are correct 30 something percent of the time against the prosecution's 60 something percent of the time. 60 something isn't that high itself is it?
I think it's quite different when they are looking for areas where a body might have been as opposed to a body itself.
Also, I'm sure it was done something like 4 months are Madeline went missing.

I don't believe they were involved in her disappearance at all. I feel so sad for them, to just know what happened would be such a strange relief I would imagine. This dreadful limbo a decade on must be horrendous.

I agree with the people who have said that without any evidence it's naive to rule anyone out. However, it seems (to me) that the parents being involved seems more and more unlikely as the years pass and they continue to push for the case to remain open and in the public eye.

How cruel to comment on the lack of perceived emotion in the parents. I've always thought that they look haunted and utterly broken. I rarely show emotion publicly and dread funerals as I genuinely worry that people will think I don't care. They come across as quiet people and their devotion to their daughter is evident in the fact that they've not hesitated in putting themselves in the public eye, often to face venom, in the hope that it just might lead to her being found.

I find it hard to look at them knowing that they must be eaten up by guilt. I honestly don't think I'd leave my child asleep in those circumstances but I'll be damned if I judge another parent for doing so.

I do judge them for doing so.
The NSPCC website states:

There might not be a specific legal age to leave children alone but it’s safe to say babies, toddlers and young children should never be left alone, even if it’s just while you pop down the road. Even if they’re sleeping peacefully when you leave they could well wake up and get very upset when you’re not there to look after them. They would not be able to protect themselves in an emergency and may even try to leave the property to find you. Parents and carers can be prosecuted for neglect if it is judged that they placed a child at risk by leaving them at home alone

It advises that if people are worried about a child being left alone they should call the police.

The car was hired a month after her disappearance. The twins would have similar dna. Her parents would have similar dna. A little graze on the knee, or knuckle putting luggage in the boot from the family would explain that.

I lived in a tourist town in Spain at the time. Burglaries through the same windows were extremely common. I mean almost every house or apartment was burgled at least once,that's how common this type of entry into the home was. They were very quick getting in, very quiet add it often happened in the early hours when people were asleep and stayed asleep. They were in and out in minutes or even seconds. There were lots of criminals and bad sorts attracted to the area as they had easy pickings....they could follow a family home and scope them out. People on holiday behave differently. They feel invincible walking in the road, walking home late at night inebriated, having lots of cash, leaving hsndbags on tables in the apartment. They are vulnerable to highly skilled gangs of which I am in no doubt luz had its fair share. Also, the area attracted weirdos who were either on the run from existing crimes or were bad sorts that led a violent life. They were able to mingle with everyone else as we had no idea of their pasts. Domestic murders were sadly not that unusual.

What I'm saying is that the pj would have known about the burglaries through the window was the modus operandi of the local gangs. They would also have been dealing with other disturbed individuals in the area. I can't fathom why they said there was no way they got in through the window or that they would have woken the kids up. Or that there were no dodgy types in the area. This goes against my experience of living in a similar area abroad.

Plenty of people have said that they would have done or have done the same.

There are levels of both neglect and abuse. I certainly wouldn't judge based on their error of judgment and it seems the CPS thought the same.

yes - that's what I don't understand. If while they had been enjoying their meal Madeline had boiled a kettle and poured it all over her siblings and herself then there would be a massive outcry that this was neglect. She gets kidnapped and it's not seen as neglect at all. Really odd in my opinion.

Far from the Mccanns looking broken i've always thought they were remarkably composed, especially Gerry whose arrogance and smugness is apparent in every interview imo.The footage of him laughing on the balcony 5 days after his daughters disappearance was quite shocking. I know everyone copes different but come on, we're talking about their daughter here. Most people would be practically incapable of speech, yet both of them can talk quite freely without a break in their voices. I remember how utterly different were the parents of Jamie Bulger and Sarah Payne. Now that was heartbreaking to see.

So what Cauliflower? They admit leaving the children alone - they were entirely upfront about leaving them all week. Judge away, but that's not what this is about? Do you think that's why Portuguese police ignored other evidence - because they too judged them and knew the public would judge them? They didn't want it made public that there had been a lot of burglaries in the area because that might tarnish the image of the resort, they were furious when the Mcann's involved the media because that also put the resort in a poor light so they focussed on blaming the Mcanns, knowing that all those who judged them for leaving the kids would be quick to jump on board. They tried to persuade Kate Mcann to confess so they could close the case and brush it under the carpet. No one knows what happened to Madeleine, but one thing is for sure - it would have been considerably easier to properly rule in or out the burglary angle for instance if it had been followed up immediately instead of being discounted. Judge away - and take pleasure in the fact that they have been properly punished, they've lost their daughter and been roundly vilified - but that doesn't bring anyone any closer to knowing what happened to Madeleine.

I take no pleasure in the fact their daughter has gone missing. It's horrific. That poor little girl - they said themselves how she had told them how frightened she had been on previous nights when they had left her alone.

I am saying I am unclear why they were not prosecuted for neglect, given that this was the outcome.

That poor little girl - they said themselves how she had told them how frightened she had been on previous nights when they had left her alone.
This isn't true. I have seen Kate McCann in several interviews say that a passing comment was made by Madeleine one day: "Where were you when me and Sean were crying?" Kate said that M didn't say when they were crying and when she asked her, M carried on playing. If KM was trying to exonerate herself, would she have divulged this to the police? I think she was being incredibly honest.

She had to divulge something because Pamela Fenn had already given a statement to the police about hearing Madeleine crying.

I think she was being incredibly honest.
Or she had an agenda for saying that.... I often wonder why she made a point of saying something that put them in such a bad light. I don't entirely believe everything they've said tbh.

Pamela Fenn's statement
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

Differs from this quotation:

*The possible missed chance came at breakfast on the day Madeleine vanished, when the little girl disconcerted her mother by asking: ‘Why didn’t you come when Sean and I cried last night?’

Mrs McCann, 43, says: ‘Not for a moment did we think there might be some sinister explanation. But it is [now] my belief there was somebody either in or trying to get into the children’s bedroom that night, and that is what disturbed them.*

I don't think they were dishonest. And I'm sure they're heartbroken.

cupid have you not read the posts further up from MrsDVere and Expat who have both tragically lost children? Real posters on this forum speaking about their experiences of deep loss. People don't necessarily behave like you would imagine them to in such circumstances, as for smug - I can't believe you can say that? As for the poor man daring to laugh once and to be caught on camera, dear god you really do not have any compassion or understanding as to how people cope with grief at all do you .

I think the initial investigation is squarely to blame I really do. Anyone heard of the Golden Hour? They obviously hadn't. They didn't want the media involved, over here the media would be alerted asap.
I don't think Madeline will ever be found and I think the Portuguese Police response was appalling. I do think there has been a cover up, but not by the McCanns.
What doesn't make sense in any of this, is why the police handled the initial investigation in the way they did.

I think we can all, including the Mcanns themselves, agree that the opportunity for Madeleine to either wander off or be taken wouldn't have presented itself if they hadn't left her alone. There is no doubt with hindsight that that was a massive error of judgement. Would anyone do the same thing today? I doubt it. It's also true to say that thanks to the Mcanns and their campaign and support for the introduction of a Europe-wide amber alert system for when a child goes missing the outcome of such an event might be very different. They know they should have been there for Madeleine, they also know that they were let down by the police operation in the immediate aftermath - the crucial first two hours. All the efforts to keep the investigation going are very much after the event.

Great cross-post Smellbellina

I do think there has been a cover up, but not by the McCanns This.

Let's not forget the police inspector was removed from the case and demoted.