Carrie, Quinn, Saul and Dar too.

[Hassled]

Previous Homeland thread - new thread for the sake of inter-episode tidiness.

Everything that's happening is about destroying those who support the PE. That's the agenda. Carries important to her. Or was. So she needs to be crushed. Dar told Quinn about what happened to him in Berlin and how Carrie risked his recovery so that Quinn won't help her. It's all calculated. He's doing the same to Saul. That's just my theory.

What does Dar aim to achieve by getting Franny taken into care? Is he planning to do a deal with Carrie 'call off your investigation into the bomb and i'll get you Franny back?'

I think he wants Carrie out of play. He knows she'll slide right back into her drinking and her bi polar symptoms will kick in making her entirely useless. Meaning no hindrance to him. As unstable as Carrie has been in the past she has also been bloody spot on at times and she is like a dog with a bone. He knows she is a huge spanner in his works if she is left to investigate the bombing. Which is his doing.

Evil though he may be, Dar told Quinn the truth - Carrie got the German docs to bring Quinn round despite the risks to Quinn.

This was him manipulating Quinn. He wasn't doing it out of loyalty. He was doing it so Quinn doesn't trust Carrie anymore so he won't talk to her about what he knows.

Dar got the PE secluded in that house without any access to anyone, yes? Not even her staff. While the public thought she was a coward for running away, and without her staff, she was dependent on Dar her keepers for information. He doesn't want her to listen to or trust anyone that's not him - Saul nor Carrie.

Saul wanted to take Javadi to the PE - that's why Dar stopped Saul from meeting him and (I bet) grassed him up to the fingernail-stealers.

Lots of good reasons why Dar needs Carrie out of action - I am convinced! He and Saul were highly concerned that Carrie was advising the PE - Saul was quite threatening to Carrie in ep 1 or 2.

About Dar telling the truth to Quinn:
"This was him manipulating Quinn. He wasn't doing it out of loyalty. He was doing it so Quinn doesn't trust Carrie anymore so he won't talk to her about what he knows."

I do agree Dar wasn't doing it for Quinn's benefit - but I suppose my point is that what he said was true, nevertheless. Perhaps Quinn shouldn't trust Carrie, at least not trust her to act in his interests. I'm still cross with Carrie for bringing Quinn out of the coma!

As unstable as Carrie has been in the past she has also been bloody spot on at times and she is like a dog with a bone.

The last series she stopped taking her meds to find the terrorists. I wonder if she'll lose it or sort it this time.

Still on episode 7/12. I'll be watching 8 tonight.

I suspect she will lose it and Saul will have to pull her out of a deep hole.

I think I got it completely wrong about Dar as, in the previous thread, I was convinced that he was not a pure baddie.

I agree that he is trying to hurt Carrie because she is advisor to the PE but he is enjoying it too because he never liked her either. And that begs the question - is he immune to being devoted to Carrie like all the other men because he is gay?

But is there a link between him and the bombing? A clue that I have missed?

I wonder if the denouement will be that Saul and Dar were working together from a point before the season started, and all the skulduggery, and giving the impression of a fractured service with Saul and Dar seemingly on different sides is all part of a much bigger game to flush out a more embedded enemy.

But is there a link between him and the bombing? A clue that I have missed?

The guy opposite Carrie (who it is implied set the bomb in the van) was on the phone to Dar in one scene ....

I can't remember the guy over the road chatting to Dar on the phone but so much is going on its easy to miss stuff.

I don't remember it either, but then I missed the reference to Brody twice!

Dar can't have anything to do with the bomb, surely - surely he's not so daft as to put a bomb maker in an appartment opposite to Carrie and Quinn and think they wouldn't notice?

But it's too much of a coincidence for the bomb maker to just happen to stay on the flat opposite Carrie.

Bomb man was picked up by a car and dropped off at van depot so maybe the bomb was made elsewhere and he was Collecting it in the car on the way.

I don't remember dar's convo with him either! When was this?

The guy opposite Carrie (who it is implied set the bomb in the van) was on the phone to Dar in one scene ...

Another one who doesn't remember this. Which episode Lurking?

Dar had to be behind Carrie getting the recordings sent in the flowers.

His mission to discredit the work of the Foundation has coincided with his need to discredit the PE's stance, and he knew that Saul would not, ultimately, let go of his loyalty to Carrie.

Poor Frannie. But ludicrous that Carrie, knowing about dead FBI guy, would simply move back into her house, alone, but with a few cctv cameras and assume all would be fine.

Also highly unlikely that a social worker would call someone who had reported a case and give an update. Unless the social worker was knowingly in on it.

Maybe Brody was secretly wearing a harness that saved him from a staged hanging and he is being harboured by the Iranians. Maybe he will come back, rescue Frannie from foster care....only to find by DNA test that she is actually the child of the red haired ONS that Carrie had.

I am hoping the heavy "Dar is a baddie" stuff is the start of his unravelling - Saul is wary of him now whereas before I always thought he trusted him?
Bomb maker was on phone to Dar to tell him that they had the fingernail guy.
It's obviously not a coincidence that he lives across from carrie but why would they put him there?
My head hurts!

It's obviously not a coincidence that he lives across from carrie but why would they put him there?

He was watching Carrie. Remember the stool leaving marks in the carpet? (Heaven knows how Quinn would have worked that out if the floor had been tiles ) I'm guessing because she was involved with sekou and he was their target for bomb planting they were watching her in the hope of finding evidence of her doing something to compromise sekou's case or discredit carrie.

Bomb man did speak to dar on the phone, not sure when, have just watched the series to date in the last 2 nights! Looking forward to joining you all tomorrow

I don't remember a call between Dar & the watcher either. What I reckon so far is:

• The PE campaigned on a 'no more war' & 'no more fear' platform. She won the election so obv a lot of people agreed with her (let's not mention the Electoral College)
• Dar has had enormous influence & power since the 'War on Terror' started.
• So too has the military industrial complex - there is a huge amount of money at stake.
• Same for the Dept of Defense, power, budgets, influence.

Think at higher levels they're all complicit.

Getting Carrie's client off (also think Dar sent the NSA recording to her) then having him responsible for the bombing played on people's fears, made the PE look wrong & weak (the safe house, lack of contact) & made the PE doubt Carrie's assessment.

Iran & North Korea are seen as the US's biggest threats so a scheme (the Iranian/Mossad agent) to suggest they're in it together not only refutes the status quo of Iran holding to the deal but weakens the position of all those who backed it. I.e. Saul, PE, Carrie.

Dar targetting Carrie through Frannie is partly personal I agree but effectively weakens her mental state, compounding the belief she's unreliable even if she does figure things out.

Wouldn't be surprised if Dar tipped off the reporters about Carrie's & esp Quinn's location, knowing things would kick off. And I still think he got Astrid involved but think she's on Quinn's side, not Dar's.

Here endeth the sermon summary. As ever (6 seasons in) we'll be spending ages posting "Ah, so it wasn't that/him/her/why" and "Heh, what/why/who?"

One last thought for now:

Dar's comment re Frannie's the hair is another hold he can have over Carrie. Even hinting that she had a child by a traitor would scupper her for good.

Thanks Fiderer - totally agree with that summary.

But then she did shag that other readhead....

Good summary, Fiderer.

I also think that Astrid has been roped in by Dar but is innocent.

Dar could not leave Quinn in the hospital in case he told what he has seen.

Those who remember seeing the phone call between Dar and the guy who planted the bomb, are you up to date with US broadcast maybe? Because I am and I remember that too...

I've been reading this thread and the last one thoroughly enjoying all your comments and theories but not joining in because I'm one episode ahead. Am very tempted to miss a week so I can chat to you all about it too!

And great summary from Fiderer!