eastenders 10. NO SPOILERS please

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Thought better start one as know you lot gossip and I'm out tonight

What is max up to??

Will Stacey and Martin get preg and why go for another chiid when they can't even afford the two they have 🙄

What will happen to baby spud. Surely won't be adopted .....

How will jack cope with granny living with him?

Will l be back soon? Possibly not unless literally having 2/3mths off ml

What wicked deed will babe do next?

Do we see more of michelle secret school boy lover

What will the market stallers do while market being repaired

Will Lee get a new job ?

Any other main stories?

And NO SPOILERS 😘😘😘

Why has Phil gone abroad for aa?

Didn't get that tbh

Blondes, probably had to go and do panto! Lol Hence 'going to italy ' story. Or they needed a break.
Devil child will go mad whilst mums away i bet.

Is t it filmed 6w in advance so R.E.M ROXY buggered off leaving AMY while she was in my local panto

She was good and can sing :)

Must be same for Phil

Oh come on blondes, everyone knows that the first thing you do after having a liver transplant is bugger off to a country where you don't speak the language, miles away from your specialist medical team

am i being daft or would the police not be turning up to watford to arrest L as well? yes she's not present in the pub but she could've been phoning the "cook" telling babe to sell drink?

Em who is this polis man and where is Marsden? Surely she is the only copper in the east end

Marsden couldn't make it, Lee's nicked her mac & she didn't have anything else to wear

Thanks for that last laugh of the day, nancy !

Soooo disappointed no-one's mentioned Nuchelle's different coat yet! It was equally horrible and also impractical. Presumably she is supposed to have coats only suitable for mild Florida winters (and from the stuck in 1978 time warp store there, where she gets all her clothes) but surely she would be freeeezing, her no longer being used to east end February weather 'n' all?

I predict Shaz will go to Amalfi Coast, Denny will be a right shitbag, driving NuCoat up the wall. He'll push his luck so much, NuCoat snaps and gives him a mighty slap...just as a Cuprinoled Shaz walks back in from her hols. Duff duff duff!

So we all assumed/were mercifully blessed with less Whitless and Leak screen time as they had both gone to see Ryan. But then Lee said to Whitney that he'd missed her while she was away - and that her rather meagre sandwich in a bag - was the highlight of his day (on the DLR). So where has Lee been?! Trapped on the DLR?!

Lee pretends to go to work

He left at 850 on tue. Not sure what time he starts and how far away his work would be

His work would fire him if he never turns up. They wouldn't pay him his meagre salary so not sure how he is earning

Sure working in the local sains would earn more

And if LEE is a licensee then Surely he would be locked up down the police station as well .....

Lee isn't a licensee of the Vic, he has a personal license. I think that was stated by either Witless or Sausage so I can't believe ycould u weren't paying attention to what they said - they always say important/deep/meaningful stuff. Even Abby was there so it was a Meeting of Minds.

Personal licences allow you to sell alcohol on behalf of any business that has a premises licence or a club premises certificate. The relationship is similar to the way that a driving licence permits the driving of any car.

Oh come on blondes, everyone knows that the first thing you do after having a liver transplant is bugger off to a country where you don't speak the language, miles away from your specialist medical team

When my mum gave a kidney, she wasn't allowed to fly for a year.

Hi all I lurk on this thread! But I can help with the pub licence confusion!

It's different nowadays to how it always was with a person having their 'name above the door'. I've owned a bar for 11 years and never had that bitter.

What you have is for each pub a DPS (designated premises supervisor) which is what I am. I'm in over all charge. I have to adhere to the licensing laws, elf and safety etc.

Then you need a personal licence which most of the staff have. You need each and every transaction to be supervised by a personal licence holder. In reality that means that one has to be on the bar at all times.

So as long as Lee is in with his personal licence they can serve alcohol.

The rest of it has thrown me to be honest.... I don't know.. but presume that the law is national and so applies in London too?

So there is and can only be one dps, or licensee in the old fashioned sense. And then unlimited personal licence holders, but they wouldn't all be liable. The people liable would be the dps and the individual personal licence holder who broke the law or supervised the breaking of the law.

Makes no sense to me. But then, it's only pretend Oreo, deep breaths!!

oreo and your wise words, you have been missing on this thread!

So they arrested Babe and Shirley as well as Mick as they have individual licences - Babe was arrested because the undercover policeman saw her serve the alcohol obviously. That means they should have arrested Leak as well, although he was never around when Babe served the alcohol in the morning so the police wouldnt have seen him about - there must be a record then somewhere of who has what licence?
oreo, its a shame the name above the door thing doesnt exist, although i remember Shirley making a fuss and getting it changed with her name for the vic, so some pubs might keep it going out of sentiment rather than any real need to have the names up there? Pub chains that are around ( Ember inns etc) don t have the bar across the door? Tracey must have a licence then too? So many questions - good job i dont work in the pub trade!

re read your post - Shirley can get off then as she didnt serve alcohol and wasnt around when Babe did?
its so confusing! Getting one of these licences cant be easy either i bet.

There's two episodes tonight.

I would have thought that Lee and his slice of bread would be sacked by now - the supervisor was horrible when he was actually there, he would go mad at more sick leave or just not showing up. Lee is taking up a vital seat on that DLR.
Just leave Lee, make everyone's life happier - work for your dad , give up the expensive flat and move back to the vic. There is no shame and you can rebuild your life - Dad paid off the debts for you, its not that bad ( well, its not great but hey, it could be worse mate!)

I can't really make sense of what could/should have happened with regard to arrests and such because it's all pretty much wrong!

For a start we work closely with the police, and every month there are meetings where the council licence bods, police and pub folk meet, I am in a city centre rather than a village pub, but still, we know what the police are looking at (underage, drugs etc) quite frankly they all but tip you off that they are running certain operations.

In real life you can get temporary event notices to vary the trading hours REALLY easily and they don't cost a lot. We put in for them to serve alcohol early for events like football matches. It's literally send a form by email to council and police.

In real life I know of people who operate clearly outside of their hours and police don't seem to act to be honest, it's not that big a thing from what I've seen.

If it was in my pub, and I had done it, I would expect a call from our licensing officer and that they would come in and see me, in plain clothes, having told me they were coming. I don't know for a fact without looking it up and I don't have time to do that, but I may be arrested or not, not sure about which member of staff would be as well. I would think I'd be bailed it's not like is a major crime. Unlikely to go to court the next morning. I shall ask the police next time I see them!

I know for some things both the dps and staff member get penalised, we make it very clear when training staff for example if you are caught serving underage, the member of staff gets a £50 fine and the dps up to £5000. So in some situations the staff are also liable, hence Barstaff now needing personal licences, but to be honest it's that long since I did my training for licences I can't remember!

I have to go to work now but I'll try and make sense of it when I get there.... maybe ask some more responsible grown ups who work for me if they know!

And the name above the door thing, I remember when the carters did it, it was wrong then. I've been in the pub trade for 20 years. I looked forward to the day I'd have my name above the door. I got the bloody pub, and when I asked about it it was no longer needed, but some still do it, but I was strongly advised not to. So I didn't and I'm still bitter. All those years for nowt! It's a different trade completely to how it used to be. So much red tape, so many courses, it's a pain in the backside for the most part and if I wasn't so long established it wouldn't be viable.

Orea, thats sad to read - I can remember in Corrie and in EE, the whole name above the premises really meant something to people - i totally get that and i would feel the same if i had to go through all these hoops and training not even see your name up as the licencee. must be a reason it was stopped i guess, why do things always end up changing so much?
so all babe had to do was send an email to ask to serve with her breakfast? end of problem. I have never seen them ask anyone of ID either, although that be false.

This is clearly bugging me more than it should! So this morning no work has been done. We have been in the big licensing drawer and looked at stuff...... do any of you know how long the 2003 licensing act is.....

So today I have learned

1. My personal licence has expired. Oops. You will notice that I am still a free woman so far the police have failed to do a dawn raid and drag me from my bed. I have sent an email to the council. I might get a fine. Don't think I will because other people have them so I'm probably all good.

1. We actually don't think that the police would act on this. Please note we don't know, it's not clear who enforces it, and I don't really want to ring and find out! But we think it would be the licensing department from the council. The max penalty is UP TO 6 months imprisonment or UP TO £20,000 fine.

Mick's defence would get him off. The relevant chapter is in the pic below.

The rest of it about other people being involved is not remotely true to life so I can't really explain how it works, become that's not how it works IYSWIM.

And a last point about the name above the door thing, the laws changed in 2003. Before then to be granted a licence you had to go to court to be awarded one. You had to be of good standing licensees were of good standing in the community they could sign passport forms etc. There were limited amounts of licences granted in out city it used to be 50 in the central area. After 2003 when the legislation changed it went to hell in a hand cart, we have around 120 premises licences in my city now. I've never been to court, we are dbs checked, we are qualified (college course) and if you can do those you can have a licence.

The name above the door is purely vanity. But this is a miserable trade. Unless you are an owner it doesn't pay well, and it's very hard work. I don't think people really comprehend the long hours and physical work. It's a life of being screwed over, dog eat dog, and a fair amount of arse licking.

When you get your own pub, you have clawed your way there. Getting your name above the door is your medal, you made it.

Now I have a photocopied a4 bind of paper tucked by the till, with my name on ready to be presented should a relevant authority come in to check..... not as glamorous. No bugger has ever seen it apart from a couple of pc's doing a walk through on a derby match day.

But it's a different trade now, and it's probably only me only my generation who started off in the old system but made it to the top in the new system who feel like this!

Back to lurking!

Orea, thank you for that, its so interesting to someone like me as i really hadnt any idea of how it all worked, or that the name bar had also became a thing of the past.
Of course, the writers have taken 'poetic licence' with the truth ( or not bothered to look it up!) but it must be so annoying when you and others know that its not how things work!
I have a small idea how hard hospitality is having worked in a kitchen, not a pub but somewhere that was allowed to serve alcohol. REally hard going and the stress the managers and staff were under was immense. Made me appreciate how under valued work like that is and i was only there for a few months.Retail is the same. Soaps like EE give a bit of a false impression too, as it doesnt show the really hard graft involved.
You rarely see a delivery guy turn up, it was every other day almost where i worked and it all had to be counted and signed for without interrupting the smooth running of the place.. ha ha! if i eat out anywhere now i almost feel bad for giving them the work to do, knowing what is going on out the back!