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Sherlock

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Goodgriefisitginfizzoclock · 15/01/2017 21:07

WTF! Scary.....

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TheSpottedZebra · 15/01/2017 23:57

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Catiemack · 16/01/2017 03:57

Maybe I'm a bit on the simple side, but I absolutely loved Sherlock when it was the two of them, solving crimes that were clever re-works of the original stories. It was basically an attempt to see how Conan Doyle might have written it he was alive today...or so it seemed to me. So it managed to be fresh, new, funny and intelligent - plus the relationship between the two was driving the story really well.

Then it all went downhill when fecking Mary came along. I know Watson married Mary in the books but she wasn't in it much (if at all) and once she'd kicked the bucket it went back to how it was before.

Mary spoiled the dynamic completely and I thought her history as a spy (or whatever) was stupid. Every episode she was in I was hoping someone would shoot her. I also hoped she'd be fake pregnant so we wouldn't get any Uncle Sherlock/Two men and a baby scenes - which, thankfully, they spared us.

I also think they killed Moriarty far too soon. Sherlock needed his nemesis - he wouldn't have had to be in every episode, just lurking in the background. So I spent every episode hoping he wasn't really dead..which was dumb.

These last three, for me, were awful. Boring, pretentious, convoluted, cliched twaddle.

I am genuinely glad that some people loved it...but not me. I hope BC & MF are too busy being superstars to make any more.

Eatingcheeseontoast · 16/01/2017 07:44

I'm not sure there'll be another series, but the ending gave me hope that they'd go back to only one explosion per series. And more giggles and more John and Sherlock.

I've quite enjoyed this last series, but I loved the previous ones,

senua · 16/01/2017 08:11

I was disappointed.
I was disappointed that Sherlock and Mycroft went along with Euros' silly game and didn't try to out-think her.
I didn't understand why Sherlock was so desperate to save the girl on the plane. He had real people dying in front of him but he cared more about a voice over a tannoy which could have been explained away by various scenario (and was, in the end. Full marks to me). Is that when He Worked It All Out - when the plane was still in about-to-crash mode hours later?

PollyPerky · 16/01/2017 08:22

I agree with catiemack.
Having read Sherlock as teen and even a pre-teen, I thought it was great that in 2016 we were having a re-work of Sherlock on prime time TV without Basil Rathbone (who was great) or Jeremy Brett (ditto).
The first couple of series had some resemblance to the original, but the most recent series didn't. It was a load of pretentious rubbish. Emporers new clothes and all that.

timeisnotaline · 16/01/2017 10:01

No one mentions it but I also thought it upsetting there was a little boy killed, however long ago. And very self indulgent.

throughgrittedteeth · 16/01/2017 10:07

senua I agree, Sherlock notoriously doesn't give a shit about people and is always more interested in the puzzle. Was really out of character.

MusicToMyEars800 · 16/01/2017 10:09

How did Moriaty get all that sorted out after just five minutes
^^
that's exactly what I wondered Grin but other than that I did really enjoy it, i hope there's a series 5, but going back to more like it was in series 1,2&3, just Sherlock, Watson, Mrs Hudson, Lestrad etc

MadHattersWineParty · 16/01/2017 10:27

They basically played Saw on Tracey Island with a bit of the Prisoner of Azkaban thrown in Confused

Felt really dumbed-down tbh Sad

dangermouseisace · 16/01/2017 12:09

I couldn't see why Sherlock et al couldn't see that Euros was just manipulating everyone at the start.

E.g. a psychopath tells you to shoot someone to save another person why agree to it/shoot yourself? She's just going to do what she wants anyway! Duh. I got increasingly cross.

deadringer · 17/01/2017 00:02

I just wattched it tonight and i never thought i would say this but what a pile of aul shite!

OrlandaFuriosa · 17/01/2017 00:17

I watched it with DS and quite enjoyed it, enjoyed him enjoying it. The plane girl motif was obvious from the beginning. Ditto that the only way to stop her was Sherlock aiming or pretending to aim at himself.

I'm afraid I found the dog v v upsetting. Much more than the little boy, sorry. V English here, not a true MNr, obv. No cruelty to animals allowed.

I loved in the last episode that the third sib is a girl, however. Brilliant.

And yes, I agree that they need to get back to the stories, or possibly make them up from Watson's titles, eg the great rat of Sumatra, iirc.

I loved the in jokes, though. And the touching reuniting of Mycroft with his mum. And Mycroft actually being kind to his little brother.

OrlandaFuriosa · 17/01/2017 00:23

But what I want to know is why Eurus is called Eurus. The East wind. Why?
Chilling and a harbinger of doom as in Bleak House ?

Butterymuffin · 17/01/2017 00:32

It is a particularly shit name to give a child. No wonder she turned out like she did...

Way too OTT. Need to get back to solving puzzles, and being prepared not to cram too much into 90 minutes.

StarlingMurderation · 17/01/2017 11:15

Didn't the prevous episode end with John's therapist/Euros about to shoot him? Did I miss the bit at the beginning of this episode where that got resolved?

I found it very upsetting that a little boy had died, even all those years ago. His poor parents!

HorseyHorseyTwat · 17/01/2017 11:19

It was "resolved" at the beginning of the episode with a throwaway line about it having been a tranquilliser dart.

GinIsIn · 17/01/2017 11:22

Pretentious, tedious, self-indulgent wank. EURGGGGGHH. With the noted exception of the wedding episode, the series clearly jumped the shark at season 2. Now it's just an ego-ridden wankfest for Moffat and Gatiss.

Really annoyed as there's so much potential, if only they'd stop being so bloody smug!

claraschu · 17/01/2017 11:30

Euros is a reference to the Conan Doyle story "His Last Bow". Holmes is talking about the changes to come in the First World War, I think.

“There's an east wind coming all the same, such a wind as never blew on England yet. It will be cold and bitter, Watson, and a good many of us may wither before its blast. But it's God's own wind none the less and a cleaner, better stronger land will lie in the sunshine when the storm has cleared.”

BrieAndChilli · 17/01/2017 11:30

This is why I think every TV programme should only be 3 series long.
The first few series of a programme are always really good but then the writers/producers try to get too clever and mess around with the format and lose what made the programme so bloody good in the beginning like lost, prison break, etc

Twogoats · 17/01/2017 11:34

The Molly bit was so sad Sad

MadHattersWineParty · 17/01/2017 11:37

I don't get why Molly was reduced to a tearful lonely character while Mary got the plum storylines and that AWFUL cringy epilogue at the end! Loved Molly, Mary made my toes curl.

StarlingMurderation · 17/01/2017 11:41

Thanks Horsey, I missed that. How annoying.

OrlandaFuriosa · 17/01/2017 13:47

Clara, thanks, that's what I recalled the ref as being to, but a bit far fetched for a name - I suppose therefore fitting,,

SapphireStrange · 17/01/2017 15:42

If the sister was SUCH a threat... after her recapture she would have either been chemically lobotomized or "put down", not locked up in the same place she escaped from multiple times because "she is in a place now that we can't reach her " or whatever twaddle was said at the end.

Wasn't she in charge of the place, though, because she'd got control of the governor bloke? Although I found that 'She influences and takes over everyone who she talks to' stuff seriously hokey.

How did they do the phone calls with the little girl if it was all a metaphor for Euros' madness?!

It wasn't all a metaphor. Euros had a throat mike, which presumably enabled her to do the little-girl voice. She WAS really talking to Sherlock on the phone; it's just she was in her cell and then at the family home, rather than on a plane. THAT bit was a metaphor: being her is like being on a crashing plane where everyone around you is unresponsive, i.e. she feels totally alone. We saw the scenes on the plane but obviously Sherlock et al didn't; they only heard her talking, and assumed she was on a plane.

I think Molly was consigned to being sad and lonely because that's how Moffat and Gatiss think of women –if you're not a sexy dominatrix or a kickass assassin, you're weepy and needy, mousy and uninteresting.

On that point, I found it quite a leap that Molly was, in this episode, mooning about her flat crying over Sherlock; why were we asked to believe/accept that, introduced as abruptly and lacking in context as it was? In the previous episode we saw her being perfectly functional, professional and normal, examining Sherlock and giving a medical opinion.

neonrainbow · 17/01/2017 19:35

Gutted that molly was reduced to weepy babysitter this series. The only bit of the final episode that i truly enjoyed was Mrs Hudson hoovering to iron maiden!

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