THE MISSING IS BACK - part 4

[MrsderPunkt]

As part 3 is full.

I'm having a day off due to illness, so am planning a re-watch from the beginning as have got used to the time switches that confused me at first. Quite looking forward to it - will pay extra attention to all things yellow, legs in fireplaces and anything else that you suggest. Probably cover my eyes at the drilla moment again though!

Yes, I get that he planned it, but what was the plan, when did he make it (not much time to recce once she was ill)?

How could a 'careful' planner place reliance on none of the Websters going into the shed and noticing something as large as a body in there?

And when/how communicated to Sophie? I assume he met her in the missing 3 hours, but how did they arrange the RV as timings could not be assured (even when she came out of hospital could not have been known in advance)

Did like the writers describing Baptiste as a 'French Yoda'!

I agree with altik; I don't think any of us can actually know for sure that we'd recognise our child after 11 years. We'd like to think we would, but it's a very long time to not see someone, 11-22 is a period of huge physical change, and human memory is notoriously unreliable, especially under stress. Add to that Sophie's convincing knowledge of Alice's early life, and the tattoo, and I'm not at all surprised that Sam at least believed it was her.

Other random musings:

I didn't find it strange that Sophie didn't want to see her dad. She'd been brainwashed for about 15 years at this stage, had been told her family didn't want her; she probably felt a huge amount of confusion and shame about the semi-consensual nature of her relationship with Gettrick in the latter years of her imprisonment (obviously it wasn't truly consensual, but in her eyes she felt they were a family and she was choosing to be there). Rekindling a relationship with someone who still saw her as his little girl must have been extremely difficult and confusing for her. I don't think there was anything to really suggest that M. Giroux had treated her badly in the past - just the natural suspicion that falls on any man whose child disappears.

Lucy was born by Caesarean section, wasn't she? (Wasn't that how the hospital staff in Ep. 1 knew she had a child?) I wish they'd explained how that had come about - presumably Gettrick didn't deliver the baby himself in the basement, so she must have attended a hospital...

Sophie has been brainwashed for 11 years by Driller. He's told get her family didn't want her, were bad, and Gawd knows what else, to turn get against them and convince her that he was her true family. And maybe she did come from an unhappy home life initially. That's why she is wary of her dad. Plus maybe she didn't like men much after what she's been through!!

Not get; her! Ffs!

Gettrick strangled Lena, as he tried to Sophie. Lena was v weak I reckon, he'd been starving her.

The house backed onto woodland, he carried Lena's body there, middle of the night, Websters all asleep, easy enough to drag the body up behind the shed and only need a few minutes to open the shed (key in padlock) let Sophie out and place Lena's body in.

The 3 hours? She may have taken a long time to find a petrol station and florists. Probably couldn't speak German and wouldn't want to ask anyone for directions.

Brig may have approved married quarters for Gettrick. The latent blackmail would have been Gettrick harping on about the fire and dead girl, maybe other girls Brig had in Iraq, the sudden pull on that blackmail being the recording and Sophie's appendicitis.

The DNA - Baptiste said the British Military had taken over the investigation. Still - bit foggy that point. Did Gettrick just hand Brig a sample from Alice?

Sophie knowing what Brig had done was a reference to Iraq that she'd been told (minus the 13 yr old).

Sophie's father - Baptiste said he made a mistake.
She doesn't want to see him because she's been told by Gettrick that her family didn't want to find her. She knows her mother's dead, she reacted to that as "Alice" - and is angry and confused.

By the time I post this we'll be many posts on!

I'm re-watching. I was so tense the first time round I don't think I took half of the detail in!

allpowerful Driller confessed to killing Lena just as Sophie was getting I'll because she wouldn't keep quiet/behave. When Matthew locked Alice (Sophie) in the shed he left the key in the lock along comes Driller in the night opens the door letting Sophie out and putting the body in - it wasn't left lying about in the shed for days he would have had it hidden somewhere - at home probably.
The brig did some dodgy stuff in Iraq but didn't know about the abducted girls until Driller told him in the restaurant, along with a big dose of blackmail. If he was involved Driller wouldn't have had to tell him.
I think the brig did have dementia but played it up when people questioned him.

Lucy was not born by CS, they discovered Sophie had had a child by stretch marks and other means (presumably by an enlarged uterus whilst performing the appendectomy - the uterus never goes back to it's pre birth size - plus she could have had vulva scarring from tears).

Sophie's relationship with Gatterick was never semi consensual, though she might have thought so. Guilt is a terrible relationship destroyer. Sophie got my sympathy above all the others.

Getting ill not getting I'll. Damn that auto correct.

Cel no mention of Lucy being a section, I don't think she could have been as that would need medical help. Sophie would have stretch marks and other signs of pregnancy they can tell that skeletal remains have given birth so a living person should be no problems.

How come the stars in Alice's bedroom, at the end, weren't the same shape as the ones in the cellar, when Gemma said something like 'it's got to be her, they are the same shape as the ones you painted' ??

How did Baptiste know the picture of the cabin was taken in Switzerland?

V small point, you do find hares in forests. I live in a very large forest and have seen hares, not very often but it has happened.

I've seen them very clearly, definitely not rabbits. One was hiding a couple of feet from where I was sitting, before suddenly losing its nerve and exploding upwards out of the undergrowth and zigzagging off through the trees.

Gettrick would have been more likely to have shot a deer, but it takes some strength to lug one of those back home.

I think Gemma said pattern moonface as in she had drawn them in the same pattern on the ceiling - with the planets on the wall and the stars on the ceiling

Ok I haven't read everything but I didn't think that there were that many major surprises. I did love it and sob like a baby. Fingers crossed that St Julien lives and they make another series.

I did think when they were in the woods that they were targets and with DK being a soldier he probably had a good aim. The whole bit where Sam saw Alice. I think he knew he was going to die and was so happy to see his daughter.

Oh my god I was begging SophieAlice not to jump.

I did put in an earlier thread that I thought it was Lena in the shed.

RIP Henry and Sam.

Also am not convinced that dementia was a complete hoax but maybe he hid behind it.

I do think they could have found two actresses for Sophie and Alice who looked more alike to make that part more believable. The only similarity was their hair and build. People don't change that much - eyes getting much larger, nose totally changing shape etc. The actress who played Sophie is very striking looking. My dd, at 19, looks almost identical to how she looked at 11.

How did Baptiste know it was a Swiss chalet? Educated guess? He then contacted his friend in Interpol (they are intelligence masters) and got the result right (he had made a few mistakes before, his mind was in overdrive, despite the tumour).

So why didn't Sophie's father shoot over the second Baptiste said to him that he suspected the girl who showed up was Sophie not Alice?

Because Sophie's father and Baptiste were not at that point in the best terms. Baptiste had made a mistake when he accused him of being involved in the disappearance of his daughter. By the time Baptiste was proved wrong it had already cost him his job and his wife took his life. So when Baptiste came to him years later saying he thought that the girl who came back was Sophie and not Alice, Sophie's father questioned it and had doubts as Baptiste was the only one saying that and he knew Baptiste had already been wrong in the past.

I remember Sophie's father said to Baptiste that if that was true, why no one else was saying that the girl was Sophie. And I think he mentioned speaking with the police, and that he had been told it was Alice that had returned, not Sophie.

I would think that if your child had gone missing as a pre teen, then reappears as a young adult, then you would have mixed emotions about her. You would think who is this stranger and what has she been doing for all these years (thoughts like that would be incredibly upsetting). You would have doubts but elation at the same time.

I've really no idea though as thankfully, this has never happened.

I want to know how Eve got into Jorn's computer without a password and what the music was on the CD.

Elendon - the photo had 'Switzerland' in white text across the top right hand corner.

I think Gemma said pattern moonface as in she had drawn them in the same pattern on the ceiling - with the planets on the wall and the stars on the ceiling

Oh ok, thanks, that makes more sense

I assume that Jorns colleague gave her access to the computer. Eve had threatened to tell his boss that he was covering for Jorn

I think the photo of Switzerland, actually said Switzerland in the corner ( or I could be completely imagining it)