GAME OF THRONES - THE SEASON SIX FINALE - 2AM ONWARDS POST SEASON ANALYSIS SPOILERS ETC BE PREPARED!

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THIS THREAD IS FOR THE EPISODE TITLED THE WINDS OF WINTER

FIRST UK SHOWING 2AM 27/6/16

SPOILERS

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COMING

AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO ASK IF SANSA IS MARRIED?

SHE'S NOT A BIGAMIST ANYMORE BUT LITTLEFINGER MAY BE ON THE CASE

WARNING THAT MANY OF US HAVE READ THE BOOKS AND DISCUSS PLOTS CHARACTERS AND BACKSTORIES THAT HAVE YET TO APPEAR/MAY NOT APPEAR IN THE SHOW

THREAD LIKELY TO INCLUDE NEWS AND SPECULATION RELATED TO SEASON 7

AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO COME TO THIS THREAD THEN COMPLAIN THERE ARE SPOILERS???

WE SAY NOT TODAY!!!!

RJ like hidden buried extras for the fans

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)

I think LF has his Valerian steel dagger back! I spotted it in the conversation with Ned just before Robert dies and LF betrays Ned in the throne room - I reckon it would have been very simple for LF to take it from Ned's office with everything else going on

Oh, I spotted three of those 21 "Easter eggs"

Mr Tormund Giantsbane MP, Beyond The Wall Constituency, Shadow Defence Secretary

I like all the links too

I was so pleased to see the direwolf back on top of clockwork Winterfell!

Maybe Jorah and a stone army from old Valyria can defeat the walkers

Maybe wolves will rule in the end

Not checked out the Easter Eggs yet but will head there now thanks

Sorry for asking so many (probably stupid and obvious questions) but what was the point of Jon Snow dying?

Was it just so he could leave the Night's Watch? Or does it fulfill some ancient prophesy? Because it doesn't seem to have changed him in any way, his personality seems to be exactly the same.

The point? Well, it was a great cliffhanger.

And now his watch is ended.

The point? Well, it was a great cliffhanger

I'm not so sure it was. In a show that's famed for killing the popular characters off, I think it was a bit of a cop out.

And didn't Beric Dondarrion say he came back a bit different every time? (I may be wrong, can't remember exactly) Jon seems to be exactly the same. I suppose it has Christ-like undertones though.

I'm probably not articulating it very well though I don't think anyone thought they were really going to kill him off.

I think it was firstly to release him from his vows (a big deal as deserters get beheaded so needed to happen) and to show he is special and give him gravitas

I think ultimately "the point" is that he took a "until death" oath with The Night's Watch. If he breaks that Oath they are supposed to kill him. That's why Ned beheads the guy in the very first episode - for deserting the watch.

He hasn't deserted. He was with the watch until he died.

There is some other Azor Ahai related stuff which is less explicit in the show. Mel has visions of him and shit. North or Cait will be along

Narratively speaking the point was to release him from the Watch.

I think he's changed. He seems a lot more cynical since getting stabbed and betrayed by his "brothers"

I love the Easter eggs. Only spotted the King in The North scene. Thick as a castle wall I am.

Mel in the books: Yet now she could not even seem to find her king. "I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R'hllor shows me only Snow."

King Robert: “Kings are a rare sight in the north.” Robert snorted. “More likely they were hiding under the snow. Snow, Ned!”

In the show someone (maybe Dany) saw a vision of snow falling on the Iron Throne.

Now thinking about when Summer sees a dragon over Winterfell that may just symbolise Jon. Dragons in visions and prophecies in Dunk and Egg always symbolised Targs.

The prophecy:
"when the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone."

It's all really clever isn't it? All these seeds planted in the early books/episodes that you didn't notice at the time but now click into place.

I love reading the theories which is a good job as I need something to keep me going until the next series or book comes out (can't see it being the book tbh).

One thing I've noticed about the show are a few inconsistencies with accents. Robb and Jon had/have northern accents but the other Stark kids don't. I wonder why they didn't cast northern accented kids for them (although I can't imagine anyone else playing Sansa, Arya and Bran as they're all fab) but Lady Mormont has a northern accent. Theon also has one, but his family don't. I know he grew up with the Starks from the age of 10 or so, maybe that's why.

And Roose and Ramsey were northerners too but didn't have the accent. Also Jorah.

Robert B. Had one but not Renly or Stannis, and why does Sam have a northern accent when he's from down south (the Reach?)

Not that any of this detracts from the show for me.

Robb and Jon had/have northern accents but the other Stark kids don't.

They had a southern mother and possibly southern governesses, because while Robb would have taken over Winterfel, the others would be raised to marry other aristocratic families around Westeros, so would be raised like our upper class/aristocracy and would all have the equivalent of a public school accent regardless of where their family seat was

There's a funny Kit Harington video about their accents

Apparently they were all supposed to do RP (presumably because that's the accent they know in the US)

Sean Bean was asked if he could do one and said "Nuuuuuuwww"

so they all got told they had to be Northern

I'll see if I can find it.

and why does Sam have a northern accent when he's from down south (the Reach?)

Maybe because his brother was the favourite so trained at home, and Sam was shipped off to northern relatives for his training/education, as happened in the cousins war (children of home counties aristocracy raised/educated by governesses in Wales)

What's RP?

Sansa would definitely not have a northern accent though, eldest stark daughter who was always groomed for wife-dom down south

Well the funniest accent thing for me was Davos and Gendry sharing reminiscences about growing up on the same street in Kings Landing when they both had completely different accents.

Actually Davos's accent is just a weird choice overall cos the actor has an Irish accent, lol. So why choose Northern for a "Southern" character? ?

RP = Received Pronunciation

The kind of English you'd be taught in Elecution lessons, Speech and Drama.

Queens English

A lot of them Baelish, Davos, Catelyn, Rickon, Hodor are Irish

Richard Madden (Robb) is Scottish

I'm surprised if they changed that accent for Sean Bean, he does loads of different accents in legends.