GAME OF THRONES - THE SEASON SIX FINALE - 2AM ONWARDS POST SEASON ANALYSIS SPOILERS ETC BE PREPARED!

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THIS THREAD IS FOR THE EPISODE TITLED THE WINDS OF WINTER

FIRST UK SHOWING 2AM 27/6/16

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AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO ASK IF SANSA IS MARRIED?

SHE'S NOT A BIGAMIST ANYMORE BUT LITTLEFINGER MAY BE ON THE CASE

WARNING THAT MANY OF US HAVE READ THE BOOKS AND DISCUSS PLOTS CHARACTERS AND BACKSTORIES THAT HAVE YET TO APPEAR/MAY NOT APPEAR IN THE SHOW

THREAD LIKELY TO INCLUDE NEWS AND SPECULATION RELATED TO SEASON 7

AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO COME TO THIS THREAD THEN COMPLAIN THERE ARE SPOILERS???

WE SAY NOT TODAY!!!!

Interesting, SerJorah...

Denerys is an idiot to leave the keeping of the peace in Mereen to Darrio

Darrio doesn't give a toss about Mereen, he would do it if she was promising to come back to him, but she's not.

Jorah would do it for her, he would do anything she asks even knowing she'ld never be with him, but Darrio is 100% motivated by shagging her and if he can't shag her then he's not going to be her puppy

And I buy the theory that Jorah is connected to the "Bad" Greyjoys too!

I agree Daario is flaky but hot

Does Dany know that Jorah told Varys about her pregnancy, leading to the assassination attempt?

yeah I think so, wasn't that one of the things she banished him for?

I don't think Daario is flakey at all, I think he's only out for his self interests, and when his self interests meant getting into bed with Dany, then sure, he'ld try and manage Mereen if that'ld get him laid, but he's not going to do it out of loyalty if she's not going to play ball any more

He doesn't love her the way Jorah does, he doesn't have the pure unselfish loyalty that Jorah and now Tyrian have.

He either just won't, what's in it for him?
Or, he'll exploit the situation to his advantage and not run things how Dany would like at all

That was what Dany liked about him, he answered her back, he didn't grovel at her, basically he didn't treat her like his queen, like everyone else does

which is why its such a bad bad idea for her to trust him in charge of Mereen in her indefinite, possibly permanan absence

What's in it for him is wealth, power and security, having risen from the son of a prostitute. (Doesn't mean he'll be loyal once Dany's gone though)

Incidentally, having now seen how paternal Jorah is at the start makes his attraction to her a bit icky, I think

Infographic released by HBO, which as Mumanddadtoone says proves once and for all that Jon's parents are Rhaegar and Lyanna. It's hard to read but shows the connections between the Targaryan Royal family and the key players involved in Robert's rebellion. Clearly shows parent lines coming from Lyanna and Rhaegar into Jon.

Place-marking before I lose you all!

how did LF get a Valerian steel dagger with dragon bone handle? Where is it now? (It's the one the assassin used in Bran's room)

I was under the impression that it was actually Joffrey who sent the assassin - he'd overheard Robert say something like if a dog was in that state you'd put it out of its misery and thought he was being grownup and clever. But that may be a book thing.

IT's an interesting question though - Littlefinger says he lost it in a bet to Tyrion, but where did he get it from in the first place?

I wonder if it being Valyrian steel was just thrown in at the time to indicate that it was "Obviously expensive", before Valyrian steel became super important White-Walker-killing steel.

Sorry, I did mean sword. Bloody extreme tiredness yest! Thanks for the answers re the falling star.

Ser yes I think the idea was to make Cersei look and feel like Tywin.

LF did employ an assassin to try to kill Bran and then blamed it on Tyrion - hence Cat's kidnapping of Tyrion later. I really dislike Cat in that scene in the inn where she asks all the bannermen to help her capture Tyrion.

Thanks for the graphic. I'll need to look at it properly when I'm not on my phone and I have my glasses-

The infographic says that Raegar abducted Lyanna, and they weren't married or engaged...

It wasn't LF who wanted Bran dead, was it? It was a Lannister (identity unknown), but using the dagger that used to belong to LF until he lost it to Tyrion

What's in it for him is wealth, power and security, having risen from the son of a prostitute. (Doesn't mean he'll be loyal once Dany's gone though)

Exactly, he'll serve his own purposes now, not hers, she's a dummy, shoulda left her translater lady in charge.

IMO he's not actually a son of a prostitue, think he's uncle greyjoy's son (in the conspiracy theory he IS uncle greyjoy, but in the TV show they're different actors)

Ok so as far as I remember with the dagger.

Tyrion lost it in a bet with Robert. So it was in Roberts possession.

Joffrey wasn't treated with much respect by Robert.

He overheard Robert saying it would be better if the kid had died in the fall and someone should put him out of his misery etc.

Joffrey hired a bloke to do the job and gave him a dagger. I don't think Joffreys was intending to frame anyone at all - the bloke wasn't supposed to leave the dagger behind and Joffrey didn't know or care the value of it. Possibly it was meant as payment.

Joffrey was going to claim the attack and hopefully watch his father beam with pride but Bran survived and it all went a bit pear shaped so he kept shtum as he figured his Dad wouldn't be quite so impressed with how it was fucked up in the act.

LF lied lied lied. It was nothing to do with him but he wanted to stir things badly and saw a nice opportunity and knew Cat would believe him based on their childhood friendship. So he basically implied it was Tyrion who did it. And chaos ensued as Cat captured Tyrion and Tywin rode to war over it and it all kicked off. And LF just had to reap any rewards of it all which of course he did.

Is that in the book, Elspeth? Maybe one of those subtleties that have been erased / condensed for the show?

Yes, what Elspeth says is right, but I can't remember how it was simplified by the show, it was though.

RE Daario. He's not relevant anymore he's just the tying of a loose end, whether he's ace at governing Meeren or buggers it right up we'll never see him again.

We may never see Jorah again though I reckon if he comes back (likely) it could be as a Stone Man fighting on Team Targ

Yeah that's from book memory but I do know they didn't actually change that for the show - they were just really crap about explaining it. I think there was like one scene where Tyrion twigged it after hearing Joffrey talk? I don't even remember the scene properly but I remember thinking "OK that's gonna go right over viewers heads cos it's too brief".

Mind you it was kinda rushed in the books too - it was left a mystery for ages and then I think in the 3rd book it was kinda explained but you'd think that it would be given more weight considering the whole thing started the damn war in the first place. It was like the author thought "oh yeah shit I'd better tie all that stuff up quickly".

I think there are a few plot points that weren't completely sketched out from the get go (unsurprisingly! I think all book series have these)

Ooooh, just found out that it wasn't only Maergery in the sept - my zumba instructor was there too!

(You know you're from Norn Irn when you've been a GOT extra)

Emergency Awesome has done another video specifically about Jon Snow/Lyanna Stark he seems to retract his earlier POV that he is definitely just "Jon" and is going with Jhaerys, also has interesting stuff to say in general about Targaryens.

Based on what he says, Jon Snuuurr outranks Dany in terms of Targaryen succession to the Iron Throne

Re Dagger-gate. Thanks. I was soooo off with that and I've not long read book one either

Jorah as a stone man, perhaps leading a stone army would be sad yet strangely cool.

Funny Ho the thing that started the war is sort of forgotten and pales into insignificance

I'd like a release date for the next book now so I know when to begin my re-read.