GAME OF THRONES - THE SEASON SIX FINALE - 2AM ONWARDS POST SEASON ANALYSIS SPOILERS ETC BE PREPARED!

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THIS THREAD IS FOR THE EPISODE TITLED THE WINDS OF WINTER

FIRST UK SHOWING 2AM 27/6/16

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AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO ASK IF SANSA IS MARRIED?

SHE'S NOT A BIGAMIST ANYMORE BUT LITTLEFINGER MAY BE ON THE CASE

WARNING THAT MANY OF US HAVE READ THE BOOKS AND DISCUSS PLOTS CHARACTERS AND BACKSTORIES THAT HAVE YET TO APPEAR/MAY NOT APPEAR IN THE SHOW

THREAD LIKELY TO INCLUDE NEWS AND SPECULATION RELATED TO SEASON 7

AND WHAT DO WE SAY TO THOSE WHO COME TO THIS THREAD THEN COMPLAIN THERE ARE SPOILERS???

WE SAY NOT TODAY!!!!

Yeah, we've mentioned the timings, and no one has an answer!

The only thing is that they have cocked up a bit with this in ways that couldn't be helped. So, you have a situation were Edmure is saying the Freys held him hostage for years when it book terms it was months, but that fits in with the show narrative as the Red Wedding was years ago.

But Gilly's baby, born years ago in show terms, is still a baby, as it's still a baby in book terms. They've been inconsistent and it shows to the big fans.

In book terms, I imagine that in TWOW, Oleanna will travel to Dorne hearing of the Tyrell deaths on route, and Varys will travel to Dorne and back within a realistic timeframe, but in the show, for people to be were they needed them to be at the right time, they had to fast forward the journeying.

They also fast forwarded Tommen who is a very little boy in Season 2 - having aged about 8 years by Season 5, as he's 6 in books and they couldn't do it.

Maisie, Isaac, and Art all going through puberty over a 6 year period when their characters are only about a year or 2 older in the story hasn't helped

Cersei was not on trial for incest she was on trial for cheating on her husband.

Agree, I don't think incest is a big problem in kings landing, I think if Cersei and Jamie had married there'ld be no major problem other than some low level sniggering

It's not that admitting to shagging jamie would discredit her children by making them a product of incest, the problem is that it would make them bastards, which in Westeros is much much worse than being a product of incest. It would make them not Roberts and out of kings landing as only minorly related aristocrats (but now that nearly every-bloody-one else is dead the Lanisters aren't so minor any more, they're now in line to the throne anyway)

Tbh I'm glad of the rather silly time travelling as in the books you have to laboriously go through every day and it takes people several chapters just to get from A to B. And they spend the journey just chatting, interspersed with Eating Interesting Things.

A Dance with Dragons was shocking for that. Bloody tedious. Michael Palin went around the world quicker!

Hahaha needA well said! The whole series annoyed me with asha skipping over etc. With quick trips up to the wall but the last episode just took the biscuit with the time hops....the importance, dedication and danger of the mission is brought about by the amount of time it takes to get around westoros and beyond - suppose that's the difference with a book and a third series!

Maisie, Isaac, and Art
who?

Maisie is Arya so I would guess the other two are bran and Rickon

Did anyone else feel the shift in this series? I was not as gripped as I have been in other series tbh, I think this may have been because the others were following GRRM to a tea, whereas this series was quite nice-no one we live died (in fact the opposite) and it did not have the same cliff hangers

Didn't see Tommen's suicide coming. That's the most decisive thing he ever did.

So, to perhaps be clearer (yes, I named the actors playing the 3 youngest Starks, as it is they who have gone through puberty and not their characters.)

From the time when Ned plus Starks go to Kings Landing in Season 1 to Jon lying dead in the Snow in Season 5 about 3 years have past in "real time" - sometimes the show chooses to remember that and sometimes not which makes things muddled.

Didn't see Tommen's suicide coming. That's the most decisive thing he ever did

What was shocking about it, was that as soon as he did it it made perfect sense, but still up until then I just didn't see it coming.

Cersei definitely loved him, but after losing 2 she didn't have the same capacity to fill Tommens cup with arrogance and love, and nobody had his back. His father was broken by his sister dying and now only seemed to care about being with Cersei, Margaery, I think he must have known by then wasn't without motives, but she was still the closest thing he had to a real friend or loved one at that point (with his siblings dead and parents broken).

And then he had to be king and he didn't know what the fuck to do except knowing that what he had done so far was fuck up

He had no ned stark - bestie from nappies type hand or advisor

He had no self identity, he was raised to be the brother's king who would get married off to a nice aristocrat somewhere outside kings landing and have a nice privilidged life with minimum responsibilities

.See I don't get the "years" thing in Westeros. We define a year by the earth moving round the sun, cycle of seasons etc.

In the Westeros universe, a winter can last for a dozen years, or a hundred. There is obviously something fairly weird about their solar system.

But, hey ho, someone seems to have arbitrarily decided that a year is 364 days or so.

I may possibly have spent too much time thinking about this.

I think we have to atribute a year to 365 days if we are discussing ages/aging and compairing a child to a 3 year old or an 8 year old as we know it.

In my head, they are just late showing us what happened with Sam and Gilly.
I'm choosing to see them as flashbacks!!

GRRM die say in his novels that things are not in a chronological order so sequence of events may skip

The only thing is that they have cocked up a bit with this in ways that couldn't be helped

I can excuse some of them in previous series, but this was just just ridiculous. I wouldn't say it spoiled the episode (because it didn't ) but they just made it a bit confusing. I fully expect to see a billion and one fan theories about Varys and his time bending prowess over the course of the next few months

on the other hand, I think there's always supposed to be an element of "how the fuck did he get that done?" about varys!

The mystery of his "little birds" is gone a bit (orphans)

But it is in keeping with his character that he'ld know someone who'ld know someone who could get him speedy passage somewhere even when everyone else is told there's a 3 week wait for a boat IYKWIM

That's true adulting If it had been Varys alone, I don't think I would have thought much more about it. There's always been an air of the mysterious around him.

I'm also probably the only one hoping that Oleanna gets to be the Queen of everything at the end. I bloody love that character. 'What's your name, Barbara?'

I checked and according to wikipedia (I know) in the show Cersei was on trial for adultery, assassinating Robert and incest.

I thought Varys on the ship was artistic licence but more eagle eyed viewers saw sails from Dorne and Highgarden on some of the ships. I guess it would have taken a significant amount of time to get everything ready which would have given Varys enough time to get back to be on the boat. Unless the journey impacts on the plot or character I think it's a good choice to skip it.

"Anything from you? No good leave the adults to do the talking"

I love Olenna. Will never forget her comment about the boy not being able to bloody walk after the night with her

Olena lady mormont..... Is GRRM is a secret feminist?

Cersei, Dany and Yara are strong female characters too. But there is a lot of women in their place culture which would have been seen as normal during that time

Is GRRM is a secret feminist?

Maybe.

Clearly not the show producers, though.

Is GRRM is a secret feminist?

At least a degree more so that the people who dramatise war without acknowledging the damage that power stuggles did to women, and not showing any of the rape or suffering, just big shiney male heros and villains…. oh and a few pretty or hyserical women at court.

Violence against women is a part of war. Erasing that from your narative of war might be more palatable to watch than scense of rape, but I don't think it's more feminist

In my head, they are just late showing us what happened with Sam and Gilly.

That would make sense, as it would allow Sam to show up with a solution to the White Walkers on time.

I think the next season will again see a few loved ones dying. But we are lacking a huge villain (apart from Cercei, but even I feel sort of sorry for her at this point). Maybe Littlefinger.

This is the review by Preston Jacobs for the last episode.

He's universally despised on Reddit, for being a pissy fanboi.

I loved the episode but all he does is slate it.

What he says of Arya is amusing though.