Marcella- Anna Friel has a strange accent and an even stranger top lip

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Just sayin'

Also still in the frame: Henry (for Grace) and the baker (all others), among the rest.
I thought the police woman boss was weirdly emotional when Marcelaa was goading Cullen - what if SHE is the bent cop (and shot the taxi driver) - she used to be always cool, why sudden obvious willing on her face for Cullen to take the blame? (obv if she were guilty, that'd explain it).

Plus I don't believe nobody watched the cctv with M in it. If the 'nice guy' who cares for her did, could it be that he protected her by shooting the taxi driver?

Another theory - driver was shot by the guy with the gun (who tagreted the planning guy and works now for Jason) because whoever killed Grace is maybe following Marcella and her investigations and saw her talking to driver. In which case, prob Henry - maybe he wanted to see her at her home with Jason to know what she looks like? or to look at her criminal photos wall.

Ah so Cullen actor IS Welsh - thought so! is he a villain in Corrie too, Sucking ? I can see him being good as a kindly pushover AND as a chilling creepy evil man - that's versatility! I first really thought he's reformed when he was all smiley and modest, despite M's witch-hunt.

I meant that Henry (or Sylvie) in that case - 3d paragraph - hired the contract killer to kill the driver.

It's confusing enough but every time I see that other woman detective I see Gordon bloody Ramsay.

What has the van driver whose daughter has disappeared got to do with anything?

Was he the one who took the key card from the hotel?

So he's the burglar not the killer?

"Strange how the sex worker had Graces necklace."

"She had it because her flatmate(?) who was run over had stolen it from the killer & given it to her."

Yah, I was referring to her, the sex worker (Cara). How did she manage to get hold of the necklace in the first place to be able to give it to her flatmate. Cara's killer must have been directly linked to Grace and killed her too. Haha, it would be so much easier if they wore name tags. It's hard to keep track of them all.

I think there is a bent copper too. Well a few are a bit odd. DC Alex and DI Rav seem to be a tad jealous of Marcella. DCI Laura Porter is just strange. When Marcella was having a meltdown in staff loos, Laura witnessed that and said nowt. Beer drinking pal of Marcella , DI Tim , is definitely a wrong un. If you look here, you can see how many episodes the characters have been in. www.imdb.com/title/tt5269594/
I don't remember seeing DI Tim in this latest episode. Maybe he was too busy shooting the cabbie in the head.

Hmmm.

Sorry, wasn't sure if you meant the blonde porn girl or the girl who had the necklace last night.

Cara also goes to people's houses for sex & must have stolen it then.

So, who has Peter Cullen killed?

His wife & three others-from 2005?

So the current killings aren't him?

Who has been killed?

Grace, someone above a shop(?), the babysitter of the missing girl?

Is the father of the missing girl "just" a burglar?

Thank you Love just why would you take in a lodger like him unless he is useful

I am even more confused by it all The brilliant Prime Suspect and Cracker were considered complex but this makes my head hurt

Love, he was a man with a temper in Corrie but was occasionally sweet. He's got that understated, seething rage thing going on beautifully... Yes, I thought Cullen had reformed until he tied up Maddy's bloke.

I wonder if Stuart (?) broccoli-chopping woman's bloke knows he's soon going to die and wants her to have some protection. If he's a contract killer (he killed the Lambeth planning guy, am I right?) then he's a) going to get busted or b) die soon.

What on earth did Jason mean when he told Stuart (?) to 'sort it out' if he didn't mean to kill him?!

Cor, this is utterly confusing. But I do like it.

diddl, he may not be just a burglar - looks like he works for the serial killer in some way (the killer knows where he lives and that he has a daughter) by getting him keys to the homes of potential victims. Whether he steals as well - not known.
The Killer always manages to be in a house when the victim comes in, no locks broken.
So he stole the hotel key - whether for himself to steal from the hotel or because killer gives him these tasks, then we saw him running out of the old man's house - where he dropped the hotel card, all in balaklava. The confusion is that the baker friend of Cullen looked exactly the same and same 'outfit' when he got stabbed with scissors after breaking into a home - so they might be a unit and work together. If he does know the killer by sight/ID, the kidnap was for the killer to make sure the guy stays silent, but it's ridiculous to count on that as some people crack under pressure and blab to police immediately - esp when the child is kidnapped. The nurder of the woman may also have been a warning sign to the girl's father.

Re Grace's necklace. I'm sure the serial killer didn't kill Grace - it was one of the family or Sylvie's partner. I thought they've done the bag as copycat to mislead the police. But then how did the necklace ended up in serial killer's posession? I actually think Cara the sex worker did NOT lie to her friend when she said 'cross my heart' she didn't steal it from the cheating client - she said she had bought it with the cash from stolen sales.
SO if she did lie, she was in Grace;s home as a sex worker (booked by Grace's kinkyish stepfather? or something we don't yet know) and took it there, or MORE likely, she bought it from the same shop where she sold her stolen goods - and it was there in the shop brought by whoever killed Grace (they wanted it to look like the usual serial killer's routine of stealing jewellery, but didn't want to actually keep it).

Driver must have been killed by either the contract killer (same guy with the gun) or by (less likely really) by 'too nice to be true' Tim who saw cctv and wanted to protect Marcella?

What about the other guy who was a suspect at the beginning? He was in touch with one of the victims by online dating and his car was seen near where Grace was found. Is he out of the frame now?

I think he was an original suspect 11 years ago. Can't remember his name.

the Rome guy? he came up with alibis (cheating on his wife hence car in the park at night) etc. He deleted that woman from online because he said he realised she was a colleague - and obv being married he wasn't after colleagues who knew he was married. So he seems to be out now.

but the baker and the ginger are still possibles, from those who did or say dodgy things in the beginning.

don't get it though, why M announced to all that Cullen isn't the latest murderer because the style of murders is now different - yet goaded him to confess to what he hasn't done just for vanity?? And now that there is more murders, she again will have to admit there is another killer/s.

No need to say sorry diddl, its sooo flaming confusing. It's hard keeping track of who is who. 😀
No LovePG, it not gingerguts! Could be the freaky baker though, given his close connection with Cullen.
I do think the Grace's stepdad is a creep and agree he hired Cara for her 'services'. He is always on the laptop perving over his dead stepdaughter so chances are he was perving over Cara before she died. Could he enjoy dressing up in women's clothing? He was found by Jason lying on the bed next to a dress belonging to Grace. Perhaps he goes the whole hog and wears a wig too. The woman carrying Grace out of the house could have been him dressed in drag.
Does DI Tim have an ulterior motive? Marcella was prepared to get cozy with him but he turned her down. When he gave her the memory stick could he have stolen keys from her? Car keys? House keys? Could he be spiking/drugging her somehow so she has these memory blackouts?
Maybe Marcella really is the murderer and she goaded Cullen to cover her tracks, or Jason's tracks, after all he has a nasty side, and he has to pay a bunch of strangers to beat him up to 'feel' something. Bonkers. Why is he so keen to keep the job? Surely if his pregnant lover was murdered he would want to get the hell away from the circumstances and reminders to grieve properly? Or at least until her killer was caught and there was some closure? Maybe DCI Laura is the muderer and that is why she was happy for Marcella to goad Cullen.
Step brother could be a suspect. Sibling rivalry and all that. And his gay best mate (not the ginger one, he's not the best mate haha) is suspicious too.
As for the cab drivers, pony-tail dog murderer, the man with the van, daughter and free babysitter... WTactualF? So confusing.
Was Maddys boyfriends body recovered? I wonder if she will carry on with her degree. 👀
So many possibilities LovePG. 😉

Correction! Dressed in drag with a jacket and hood, a bit like Marcellas.

Was the cabbie the right target? Didn't the two drivers occasionally sway vehicles? Or am I actually losing the plot myself now and making that up 😆? The other one has some nasty scars. Maybe his persecuters wanted to finish him off and shot the wrong cab driver.

Swap not sway. 😋

The more I think about it, Marcella's fancy-piece cop is definitely the murderer.

There's something iffy about him...

it was discussed briefly earlier that Sylvie's partner could be a transvestite. Still stands but I'm not sure he would pass off as a woman to a driver who parked just across the road - he's tall and bulky and Grace's clothes wouldn't fit him at all - unless he had his own stash of clothes, and Grace was letting him use her house for that (in exchange for drugs or something). Also why would he be still in drag and driving in it after murdering someone - I think unlikely, drag is a enjoyable fantasy for men, don't think they'll want to be 'in the role' when seriously stressed.

He might just be into much younger women - but pretty sure Grace was just a fantasy - still they obviously still had something going on - he supplied her with drugs (poss) and she gave him space for his kinks away from the mother (whether it's meetings with a young girl, Cara, or the drag thing). I was speculating earlier that Sylvie got the wrong end of the stick seeing his car or him at Grace's and got into a rage, so possibly killed Grace thinking they are lovers. I wish the driver said whether the woman was short or tall and chunky!

I'm only not ruling out Ginger BF because he's physically capable, very odd, laughing at that murder in ep.1, has pent-up jealous, being a doormat yet seething. But the way they are pushing him to the fore as a suspect makes him less likely. Otherwise he fits the profile quite well.

Sucking ah so it's the actor's forte then, these contrasts! But much more sinister in this, obv. I think he's really compelling at times, can really do 'quietly scary' so well . I think that Welsh people/faces are often enigmatic (I don't mean in a scary way in RL!) - Anthony Hopkins an example too.

So many creepy characters in this! What is Ginger beard's accent? Dutch?

I was confused with the whole necklace part - why did Marcella believe she hadn't killed Grace, just because the prostitute girl had obtained Grace's necklace? Wouldn't that likely suggest that Grace had used the prostitute's services?

Fair point, NotJanine. Grace could have used Cara's 'services'. When Marcella went to Grace's house, perhaps Cara was visiting. Cara could have beaten up Marcella and then killed Grace. Grace may have been off her face on drugs and unable to defend herself. Cara had form, previously beating up the young punter in the street.

Yes the guy who was in corrie is very good at playing the sinister guy next door that has that edge type

If I had the time I would watch it again tempted as its so good as I think there is so much I have missed. Felt the same about The Affair but thankfully not so many characters

what would i do without so many great to shows

what a lot went on

who shot the taxi driver and how did they know he blabbed to marcella

fix it, obv means kill them

good cullen admited it was him who killed his wife, so M was right years ago tho obv isnt the recent ones

im assuming their daughter died a few years ago, think 4 candles were shown, not sure how pulling the musical clock helps her, and seems Mr M isnt imprssed, not does he want to be drawn back in to that

plus if he was seeing grace for 4yrs maybe he was with her when his daughter died, hence also why grace being preg was a double blow for M

He was seeing Grace for 3 years. There were four candles.

If "fix it" means kill them, why was he so annoyed when he heard the guy was dead?

It's very confusing!