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War and Peace [CAUTION: SPOILERS]

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QuizteamBleakley · 03/01/2016 21:03

Anyone watching? All British actors appearing here...

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Thurlow · 13/01/2016 09:36

He was the only decent thing in There Will Be Blood, which rates as one of the worst wastings of three sodding hours of my life I've ever spent.

DinoSnores · 13/01/2016 10:27

The actress played Marya came second in the Andrew Lloyd Webber talent show to find Nancy for 'Oliver'. I had realised that I recognised her somewhere but just couldn't place her.

I'm really enjoying it. Yes, it is massively abridged but it has to be, and it is beautiful to look at.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 13/01/2016 11:30

She was very good as Marya.

helzapoppin2 · 13/01/2016 13:46

Re Paul Dano, I had to Google, but I thought he was American. He is, and so are his parents, so his accent is remarkable. It never slips. Steven Rea on the other hand..........
Isn't Jim Broadbent great? His character is so straightforward and pragmatic. So glad his daughter refused to marry that philanderer!

regenerationfez · 13/01/2016 14:14

Jim Broadbent is fab. He really portrays a man who lives his daughter and wants the best for her but can't show it. I didn't think he would be able to portray the kind of cold father that I thought Prince Andrew was but I really believed him. I can't wait until next week.

fourquenelles · 13/01/2016 16:45

Paul Dano was fabulous as the young Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys in the film Love and Mercy. Good film if you can overlook the chronic miscasting of John Cusack as the older Brian Wilson.

(I also think James Norton's natural speaking voice is lovely!)

Clawdy · 13/01/2016 20:03

Did something happen to the Jim Broadbent character? He didn't seem to be around to welcome his son's return and I wondered if I'd missed a bit.

regenerationfez · 13/01/2016 23:17

No I think he just laid low due to men not really having anything to do with birth at the time. I can't remember anything specifically happening to him.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 14/01/2016 00:21

Anyone who has read the book- how badly injured was Andrei ?

He was the only decent thing in There Will Be Blood, which rates as one of the worst wastings of three sodding hours of my life I've ever spent.

Wasn't it just. As there was no plot and no character development it could have ended at several points but it went on and on and on.

regenerationfez · 14/01/2016 08:16

Not that badly. He goes back to war.

thegiddylimit · 14/01/2016 23:46

I suspect the timings are a bit wrong for Andrei getting back from Austria, Bald Hill is suppose to be near Smolensk and he was in a French hospital in Austria for a while before he was well enough to travel. Everyone was sure he was dead. That's Tolstoy's fault though. Did anyone notice that the icon Maria gave him was gold but it looked more silver when he looked at it the night before the battle, I quite liked that nod to Tolstoy's mistake in the book. I liked how they did him being injured but thought Nikolai riding across the battlefield was one of the strongest sections of the novel but was less thrilling on TV. And his obsession with the Tsar isn't obvious.

Jim Broadbent is fabulous, really love him and his portrayal, it feels exactly right, also think Andrei and Maria are good. There's a lot of meat in that family for actors though. Natasha is annoying me but poor Lily is doing what she can playing a child half her age (who grows up quickly because Tolstoy gets his dates wrong). Was very annoyed they introduced the idea of Natasha loving Pierre so early in the first episode, that wasn't true to the novel, her affections are all over the place. Not keen on Nikolai, but I think I probably wasn't keen on him at this stage of the book anyway (and he is very handsome). There's a lot in the book about the confusion of battle and war not being glorious and I suppose he represents that.

Helene doesn't feel true to me at all, and I was very distracted by the one shoulder dresses and not in a good way. I like Anatole and think he's very sexy (which we need to really) and dangerous.

I think as PP said it's reasonably true to the book but very much a tour of the highlights. Some things I like, the foreshadowing of a minor character's fate is good as are some of the details (liked how Moscow felt more rural and backward than St Petersburg). But some of the secondary characters aren't well drawn enough yet so wondering if their stories will be cut.

regenerationfez · 15/01/2016 09:09

I agree with you giddy. Although I love Helene! Her and Paul Dano as Pierre are the most watchable characters to me.

I think the issue with Natasha is that you just cannot portray her as she is in the book. In the book she is 12 at start but seems very precocious and attractive to several older men. She has several men bleating 'oh she's so young but I still have sexual feelings for her anyway'. In the TV adaptation, they have had to up her age to 15 to make it more palatable and Lily James will presumably have to play her as a teenager and as an adult. I like her so I hope she'll become less irritating!

wafflerinchief · 15/01/2016 09:32

i thought that some of what was jarring about Natasha is that because the actress is playing a child, the conversations about love are childish but are being spoken by actresses that look nowhere near that young so seem very odd. If they'd used a different child actress for the parts where she's 12/13 the conversations have been less irritating.

regenerationfez · 15/01/2016 09:53

I do feel sorry for Lily James. I saw her in a play years ago and she was fab, but she seems be being typecast as airheaded teenagers with a hidden heart of gold. She's playing Cinderella 2 in this, and I found her irritating in that too! I think once Natasha gets a bit more meat to her character hopefully she will be more interesting!

loveitvmonkey · 15/01/2016 19:40

I think Lily James is actually spot on with the young Natasha who IS irritating in the book especially with her inane chat on romance subject and fleeting affections to different men (all innocent obviously), but sweet and lively.

Still to see what she's like with older Natasha - which is more challenging as Natasha eventually becomes rather serious and even a mother-earth type. They might not go quite to that point in the film though, going by various other modifications (and to appeal to the modern feminist audience), and stop at the more romantic stage.

regenerationfez · 15/01/2016 20:38

Yes she is massively spoilt and silly in the book. But she is 12 and has over indulgent and frankly idiotic parents. It's harder to see that when you are seeing a grown woman prancing around like a child.I agree I think she'll come into her own later on as Natasha matures into an adult. I don't have much Natasha love tbh any way as a character. I'm reading the book in tandem and I've only just now got to the bit where she's redeemed herself.

HappydaysArehere · 17/01/2016 18:37

Love it, love it. Love it. It is by far the best production. Pierre is great as the clumsy, bear like man described by Tolstoy. Natasha is the butterfly girl - well done. Prince Andrei is well cast. Above all this production keeps faithfully to the book. The scenery and sense of Russian life and scenery is wonderful. I am buying the DVD as soon as it is out. I only hope there is one.

regenerationfez · 17/01/2016 22:06

Natasha much less irritating in this episode. As I thought, she's improved when she is actually playing an adult!

I didn't enjoy it as much as last week though and I have no idea how its halfway through, as they are nowhere near halfway through the book.

thegiddylimit · 17/01/2016 22:36

Yes, Lily James was definitely better this week. As far as being half way through, I wonder if the battle scenes take up relatively little time on the screen in comparison to the book and all Tolstoy's philosophising at the end of the book will be cut. It's still feeling quite rushed to me although I liked the spring scene before Pierre and Andrei meet up again, I loved that in the book. But the progression of his grief was completely shot over, first he was baptising his son, he had a brief conversation with his father then Pierre then BAM he was in love with Natasha. Sigh. It feels true to the book, I don't agree about the novel feeling dark, I think where it was necessary, like when Pierre's father died and at the Masonic Lodge (a part I was glad they glossed over!) it is dark but all these young things in the early 19th century would have lived in bright houses.

I think it needs to be a lot longer, 6 hours is the same amount of time as Andrew Davies' P&P which is a much shorter and simpler story to tell. In comparison 'The Jewel in the Crown' was nearly 14 hours long and felt luxurious (even when I watched it repeated in the 90s) and Brideshead Revisited was just under 11 hours.

regenerationfez · 17/01/2016 22:45

After seeing this week, I agree 10 episodes would have been better. Such a lot happens during the battles, and the epilogue is an episode in itself, I would have thought. I lost track of the dates cwhen I was reading it, so took particular notice of them here. I think it helped me get the timeframe a bit better.

CeeBeeBee · 17/01/2016 23:36

Really enjoyed it this week. Loved the scene of Andrei and Natasha dancing but it reminded me of her ball scene from Cinderalla, same expressions and mannerisms. They have a very convincing chemistry though. Poor Pierre, I wish he could just be rid of evil Helene. The scene of him encouraging Andrei to ask for Natasha's hand in marriage was heartbreaking. I haven't seen Paul Dano in anything else but he's very good as Pierre.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 18/01/2016 01:30

I find Lily James' teeth very distracting.

6 episodes isn't really enough. Brideshead Revisited is actually quite a short novel and it took 10 hours.

Fiderer · 18/01/2016 07:42

The references here to Brideshead Revisited remind me of my A-Level English teacher who throughout its run on TV set us homework half A-levelly stuff and half "Watch Brideshead".

If only this version of War and Peace had been on when I was struggling though W&P in Russian with a Tolstoy-obsessed professor. Would have lightened the load.

Anyone know why the BBC went for only 6 episodes? Great cast, solid classic literary material and Sunday night romance and drama.

Loved the ball scene.

Helmetbymidnight · 18/01/2016 09:10

Really enjoyed it this week. Pierre is so engaging, Paul Dano's face is so expressive, I felt so sorry for him.

The duel was really nicely done - and the sparring scene in the barn with Nikolai and the bad friend was excellent. I'm not usually a fan of a man with a moustache but I was prepared to make an exception just then.

I thought Natasha being proposed to by the kind faced man was really sweet and painful.