Humans - Tonight (Sun) @ 9pm on Ch 4

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OK, after freaking the bejaysus out of me with the weird trailer / advert I am intrigued and looking forward to giving this programme a viewing.

(I will have to record and watch later as I will be watching Messrs Strange and Norrell.)

Anyone else looking forward to it and hoping it lives up to the hype?

I love your observations that neither Leo nor George has real memories, but what synths keep for them.

I thought that Leo said he was 13 when he died.

The actor playing Odi is doing a fantastic job. It's a shame he hasn't been in it more.

Wasn't it good?! Though I was disappointed about Tom and him not having a connection to synths so far. Thought my idea was better! I suppose that discussion helped Laura to understand Mia better and now she is working with the synths hopefully her relationship with Matty will improve.
It was awful when the synth (Fred?) just strangled that man through the door!
Surely Max could be rebooted or something if they can find him in the water?
I wonder what the detective synth is going to do? Presume she's going to George but what will she do about Niska?
Simon's 'romantic chat' was hilarious!
I agree that George looking after Odi and then holding Niska's hand was very touching.
Do you think the male detective will go there too?
Looking forward to next Sunday already!

AGnu and PurpleSky, I love the theories about detective synth being either Leo's mum or Elster's replacement for her.... Very intriguing.
Is she called Karen by the way? I can't remember most of their names which makes it mighty confusing!

The theories about Karen are the creepiest so far. I like her so much.

I don't think the detective (Karen) is going to George's place because of him.
I don't even think she knew him, except that now that she realised he was involved in the creation of the synths she also knows he might be relevant to whatever her agenda is.

Karen is looking for Niska. And couldn't find her in the area the taxi driver mentioned because she didn't know if Niska had got off there and stayed around or kept moving to a different location.

When the other detective said he knew George (one of the creators of the synths) lived in that area the taxi driver mentioned, Karen made the connection and realised that's where Niska was going.

Karen is going to George's to find Niska, either because they have a connection or know each other from before.

Hmm ... I had the definite impression that finding out about George opened up whole new possibilities for Karen. Not necessarily positive. (Though I'm slightly puzzled as to why she couldn't have accessed this info before.)

I wondered if Karen had been created in order to track down Leo and the other synths. Her purpose is to be a detective, but, being a higher order synth she is curious about human feelings and sexuality as well.

Like other posters I wonder if Leo has the full picture. He says he "died" when he was 13 because his mother tried to take him away, but he says that his father wasn't able to digitalise all his memories. I wonder if David E. chose which memories Leo would retain in order to keep the truth from him. Is it possible that Leo's mother wasn't mad, but was worried about David's mental state and his attempt to replace normal human relationships, a mother, a teacher, a brother, with synth ones in Leo's life?

Do we really know that either Leo's mother or father are dead? We, and Leo, cannot rely on his memories as it was possible for David to edit and manipulate them.

If David E. is dead, then what was the reason for his suicide?

If Leo's memories have been manipulated then does Mia, as the oldest synth, hold the key to what actually happened?

Is this why she was reprogrammed and her memories suppressed?

Now that her true personality and memories have surfaced, will she remember more about Leo's childhood and why his mother was shut away?

WRt Max, I think they could reboot him but the problem is they won't be able to find him as he has shut down and will drift with the current - unless he's washed up somewhere, I don't think they can realistically find him.

I don't think Mia will necessarily know anything othethr than the official story about Leo's mother as she was created after the mother left.

No, the impression I got is that Mia was created because Leo's father was too busy with his work and dealing with his wife's disease to take care of his son.

Mia was created while the mother was alive, as well as the other synths, I believe.

Then the mother out of a sudden wanted to get out of there and leave David. She took Leo with him, they had the accident and Mia tried to save them. So Mia had already been created. She very well could have some interesting memories of her own that could hold clues as to what happened in that house.

Does anyone remember in the last episode when Niska showed George a photo and asked him who a person was, who he replied with?

Then the mother out of a sudden wanted to get out of there and leave David.

I thought she came back for him, she had already left (or been sent away)

OK, just re watched the memory bit. The part that mislead me is when Leo said his mother got away from her carers. I assumed she'd been sent to a home.

Right at the end, there is a mixed up memory of the Synths looking worried/anxious and shaking Leo and then David approaching, at which point Leo shakes himself and stops the memory playback.

I thought the wife was living in the house but secluded. Like someone upthread said, ala "Mrs. Rochester".

I've been thinking about the scene with Fred, and the story he told the other guy about "when I was a boy, my father gave me a fox that had a broken leg, etc..." And he said he saved the fox, and let it free but his father (David) didn't believe him.
I'm thinking Fred is not as ruthless as I first thought, because I noticed that after punching his hand through the wall to strangle the guard he checked his neck as if he was checking for his pulse. Why would he do that? To make sure he was completely dead? Or to make sure he had knocked him out but was still alive? Fred then shot the doctor on the knee, when he could have easily done something worse, and the shots to the other guards might not have been lethal as the weapons seemed to have been designed to stun rather than proper guns.

I agree about Fred. Although I don't think it mattered where he shot the guy as it was a taser type gun rather than a bullet.

Having said that, he seemedcompletely devoid of emotion.

I wonder if perhaps Leo didn't "die" and his father used the accident as an excuse to:

Remove and edit Leo's memories so that he wouldn't remember why his mother had tried to get them both away;

Get closer to his goal of a synth who is indistinguishable from a human.

Maybe Leo's mother was trying to get him away because David E had said he wanted to implant some synth type tech into Leo.

Fred was also in the Lake when Leo died. His memory of Mia swimming in the water fully clothed was the one shown on the projector by the scientist who is after them.

Although Simon's earlier chat-up line was hilarious, "She is playing hard to get" was chilling.

I also do not believe now that Leo's mother was mentally ill. A woman disagreeing with a powerful husband was often locked up in the past. No one would get involved.

I am pretty sure Leo said he was 13 when the accident happened, so if Mia is 14 then he is no older than 27

but she was with him before the accident so he's likely younger....can we work it out from the age of the other family synths?

He died aged 13, yes. He must be a good few years younger than 27 judging by what you see of him in his memories.

The first synth after Mia was Fred. Then Niska who says she is 9. Max is the y ou fest but there is no indication of his age and he was also there before Leo died. Doesn't that mean he must be younger than 22?

Of course, none of his memories can be trusted can they?

Wasn't Mia created before the accident? She was swimming down to get him out of the car.