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Game of Thrones series 5 - winter is here!

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SerJorahsSecondChoice · 04/06/2015 00:42

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StormyBrid · 09/06/2015 08:43

That loving speech was a clue about what's to come. As soon as he made it I thought, yep, Shireen's getting burnt.

CandyApocalypse · 09/06/2015 08:51

I posted elsewhere, but apparently Martin told them to do this as it will happen eventually. I don't want to talk about the books in a thread about the show, but I believe it will happen next book based on events in the previous book and support a popular fan theory.

I think it was in character for show Stannis. He strongly believes in his divine right to rule and has always had a black and white attitude toward things. Look at his attitude towards the guards. He has become more and more fanatical and was willing to kill his brother and burn Gendry alive. He has burned other people plenty of times before. In addition he has had Mel whispering in his ear for a long time about how sacrifices have to be made.

In addition, he knows the white walkers are coming. A lot of people felt Hardhome showed that everything else is inconsequential in the face of them and Stannis probably feels the same. If he doesn't take Winterfell, everyone could die. They explored this with Tywin talking about the Red Wedding, killing a few people to save many hundreds of troops. He has been considering this for a while now and he is obsessed with moving forward, he will not retreat, so he made a decision.

I hate him for it, but I didn't like him much anyway in the show.

I thought the episode was good and it will be interesting to see what comes from it. I did notice Jorah touch Dany, who then touched Missandei. I think Dany was right to leave though, she was the target and had to protect Drogon, who wouldn't have left without her. When they zoomed out it looked as though the rest of the Harpies had fled.

SerJorahsSecondChoice · 09/06/2015 08:51

Herfrom - no, a different theory.

Duckdaemon (love your name btw) - was that the Forbes one where the reviewer was virtually spitting blood? Y'see, I think it IS in character for Stannis (see my earlier post) and I think the scene was done precisely to keep us off guard and I think he did love her in his way, because for a sacrifice to be a true sacrifice it has to be a real sacrifice of something he loves. The act of sacrifice has taken on a meaning distinct from the word's actual meaning - now we view it as simply meaning 'execution' or being mildly inconvenienced, but it really refers to an act of giving up something important. Hence in classical times (the Illiad) and biblical times a child would often be sacrificed, because it needed to be a true sacrifice of something loved or the gods wouldn't be impressed by the fielty.

Also, in that earlier scene Stannis tells her 'you are my daughter, the princess Shireen of Baratheon' - everyone took that to mean that he loved her and was proud of her. Did he actually say that though? Even during that episode I thought 'we're being reminded she's important to him because she has royal blood, nothing more,' and we all know what royal blood can do.

Personally I have no problem with the validity of this scene or any other, although I found it very distressing. There is historical, classical and modern precedent for all we are seeing - it may be a fantasy but it holds a mirror up to our world, past and present. The whole POINT of the books/ show is that life is hard, random, meaningless, we fight the wrong battles, we make bad choices, we are human. Good people die, bad people succeed, but also no one is truly good or bad. Terrible things happen in the name of power, money and religion and there is no inherent kindness in the world. I think it's very deep.

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CandyApocalypse · 09/06/2015 08:54

Oh and I fully believe that Mel knows about R+L. I find the fact she keeps seeing 'snow' in her visions quite interesting.

Also liked how Hardhome ended with ice and this one ended with fire. Nice touch.

Degustibusnonestdisputandem · 09/06/2015 09:07

I might have had to leave the room at one point

IPokeBadgers · 09/06/2015 09:20

I found that really hard to watch: Shireen's screams made me feel quite sick. I'm sure it was difficult scene to do, it was so intense: i imagine the actress who plays Shireen probably had a very sore throat after all that screaming. It was truly horrible to listen to, heartbreaking!

On a different note, in the scene in the arena, I was absolutely blown away by Peter Dinklage. The expressions on his face from the point he realised they were under attack, to saving Missandei, to the look on his face when Drogon swooped in, barbecued the Sons of the Harpy and then Daenerys climbing aboard....there was just so much was going on and it probably needs a rewatch, but i could hardly take my eyes off Tyrion. It was a real cascade of emotions across his face.

I know that nobody is safe in Game of Thrones land: either in books or TV show, but if Tyrion dies, I'm out.

gincamelbak · 09/06/2015 09:24

I don't think Stannis is All About That Throne (bout that throne, bout that throne...) anymore, was he not convinced that the bigger war is against winter and the white walkers, not the throne? I thought that was why he went north to t'wall rather than try kings landing again.

I like the idea of Gendry being the mask maker. The size of his arms!

limitedperiodonly · 09/06/2015 09:26

I agree with all that SerJorah.

The Forbes review was so hysterical it made me laugh.

QueenOfThorns · 09/06/2015 09:28

I'm 100% certain that Mel doesn't know about R+L=J. In that scene where she tried to climb on to his lap, she said something about feeling power in him, but it seemed to be unexpected, i.e. she doesn't know the source of that power.

If she'd only spend less time gazing into fires and more time on fan forums, she'd work it out soon enough Grin

Lweji · 09/06/2015 09:31

Masks don't have to be metal, or gold.
They could have done them with a paste/resin/plaster and then covered with gold sheet. Much lighter and more comfortable. And not a lot of metal.

polyhymnia · 09/06/2015 10:14

Please could someone explain what R+L=J means???

QueenOfThorns · 09/06/2015 10:32

Here you go polyhymnia. It's not a spoiler as such, just a fan theory, but you may not want to look if you like to be surprised (I'm pretty sure it's correct)!

SagaNorensLeatherTrousers · 09/06/2015 10:37

It's a fan theory about Jon Snow's parentage, poly.

polyhymnia · 09/06/2015 12:34

Thanks!

bendybrickpumpkinpatch · 09/06/2015 13:52

Its so so true !!
I cant wait for the big reveal !!

bendybrickpumpkinpatch · 09/06/2015 13:53

Can someone tell me why Ayra was so interested in that soldier ?
Who was he ?

bendybrickpumpkinpatch · 09/06/2015 13:56

Ahhh ok got it

QueenOfThorns · 09/06/2015 14:42

Do you think there's even a tiny chance that Meryn Trant will tell Arya whether or not Syrio died before she kills him? Or will we never know?

Sansarya · 09/06/2015 16:35

Isn't there a theory that Syrio and Jaquen Ha'gher (sp?) are one and the same?

Narvinectralonum · 09/06/2015 16:41

Yes. Jaqen H'ghar. It has its adherents and its detractors. I'd like it to be true but I'm not actually investing in any fan theories until I see more evidence than any of them have got. I've been burned way too often in the past.

Northernlurker · 09/06/2015 16:50

So if Stannis needs an heir (so a new wife) and he's marching towards Winterfell.....is this in fact a flaw in Littlefinger's cunning plan and Sansa is likely to end up with yet another opportunity to marry a sadistic, power crazed git? How much luck does one girl get?

scandip · 09/06/2015 16:52

Amberfool, your post is a bit spoilerish. There's no need for it.

AmberFool · 09/06/2015 16:55

I think Mel is very capable of burning Shireen but I really can't see book Stannis doing it unless becomes the next NK (fan theory). I know it's not fair for non-book readers when we make comparisons between the show and the books, but much of what we are talking about is speculation anyway, as we impatiently wait for the next book. (At least Robin Hobb is a reliable writer!)

AmberFool · 09/06/2015 16:58

I don't mean to be spoilerish - it's speculation on my part.

herfrom2doorsdown · 09/06/2015 17:31

Ser - it was the R+L=J theory as linked by pp that I meant.
Is there another R+L=J theory?

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